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own_the_room

A Brief Explanation

Aug 16, 2004 20:22

In a recent post, there was an opinion expressed by a fellow LJ-er (who is too cowardly to allow someone other than a "friend" to respond, I notice that he lists only two or three) suggesting that anyone voting Republican was an "idiot". In presenting his argument, he makes the mistake of thinking that voting all boils down to money and class ( Read more... )

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lordbleys August 17 2004, 06:10:33 UTC

Isn't it good to live in a country where two men can disagree so much?

Yes.... own_the_room August 17 2004, 06:45:15 UTC

....and I wouldn't be quite so adamant or verbose were it not for our friend's penchant for not allowing comments. I know that you and I differ in opinions but if we disagree, we can discuss it without becoming vituperative. Actually, I'd love for someone of the liberal persuasion to debate me on some of my points. I used to be extremely liberal in my youth, so I understand the liberal line. I know conservatives make mistakes, too and those should be pointed out. Perhaps if we could discuss topics of interest in a more genteel, open forum, the worst that could happen is that we'd just agree to disagree.

Thanks for your comment and I respect your opinion.

discuss, could happen...dont bite my head off lordbleys August 17 2004, 06:58:19 UTC

Personaly, I despise the way our country is split in 'two'. Some folks say the split is between Rep's and Dem's, or Liberals and Conservatives, North/South, Left/Right, Catholic/Athesit, Jew/Nazi, people who use spellcheck vs people who don't. I could continue to list devideing lines, but I don't think its worth clogging bandwidth with stuff like that ( ... )

Good For You! own_the_room August 17 2004, 07:44:22 UTC

Now, take your argument one step further ( ... )

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motomuffin August 17 2004, 06:48:38 UTC

"...part of that freedom is to worship as we please. Freedom to pray or speak of God or express our faith in any way we wish. It's not freedom FROM religion but freedom OF religion..."
and
"...I vote Republican is because I believe that abortion is murder..."

These two statements, to me, are in direct conflict. What if I live in the US, and my religion dictates that it is a crime against my G*d to bring an unwanted child into the world? What if my religion dictates that a child is not a person, does not have a name, cannot be referred to as a child, until after it is born? Would my religion-dicated moral grounds be wrong? On what count? If this was the way I was raised, how could I see it as murder? Aren't you inflicting your Christian moral set on me, and therefore impinging on my freedom of religion?

own_the_room August 17 2004, 07:11:43 UTC

I know this is a touchy subject and I don't think we'll ever satisfy everyone's concerns but God was mentioned in The Constitution. In fact "separation of church and state" ( that's from a letter written by Jefferson) isn't mentioned at all except that no one will establish a national religion ( ... )

motomuffin August 17 2004, 07:44:26 UTC

"were performed within a week of inception"
Well, not a week, but most abortions *are* performed within the first trimester.

"sacrifice virgins as part of their faith" That isn't a valid argument -- murdering an adult is pretty clear-cut illegal in this country, religious morals notwithstanding.

"We, as a society, could nurture young mothers until they give birth instead of chastising them..."
Sure. That would be great. But it isn't happening. In an ideal world women would selflessly allow their wombs to be hijacked by a fetus they had not invited -- maybe they were raped, maybe they were faithfully using contraceptives -- for nine months, making them sick, exhausted; making them miss work; making them swollen and depressed. I, for one, am happy to live in a country where I am able to remove myself from a situation I was trying to prevent in the first place.

Do you know what kind of comments an obviously pregnant woman encounters on a daily basis? No way would I run that gauntlet for a kid I wasn't keeping.

own_the_room August 17 2004, 07:58:10 UTC

Well, as I said, if the abortion were performed while the fetus was just a few cells, I could see that....maybe a "morning after" pill...

The argument about comments doesn't hold water (pun intended) for me. If society accepted pregnancy for what it is, the miracle of life, there would be no stigma. Personally, I think that a woman is never more beautiful than when she is pregnant.

I appreciate you and your discussion....and I appreciate your kind expression of your opinion.

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PS lordbleys August 17 2004, 07:19:51 UTC

I too believe in the American Dream
and The Religious Right or Oil Barons will never take it away from me

Re: PS own_the_room August 17 2004, 08:08:56 UTC

Yes, I agree. The extreme right (or left, for that matter) would impinge on all of our rights. I just want to be able to express my opinion without violating "hate speech" laws. If we're not careful, that will happen. Canada already has such a law.

Oil barons are mostly Arabic as of now and that really bothers me. We should drill domestically and fix the price of oil at a reasonable price. Just remember, there are alternative sources of energy being developed and those investors in those companies are going to expect a good return on their money. After all oil/energy/computer/you-name-it "barons" all expect to make a good profit. If you discovered oil/uranium/a Power Ring in your back yard, I'd expect you to want to make money....and you should.

Re: PS lordbleys August 17 2004, 09:18:53 UTC

Yup we all have a right to make money off of the flowers of our intelectual gifts. I'd love to see some clause put into the world though...
"You can't make a Billion if you screw the worker, at least buy them dinner first."

Re: PS own_the_room August 17 2004, 09:45:11 UTC

Ah, but the worker has the option to walk...THAT'S the key. Without workers, the businessman cannot do business. We are a 'right to work' state in Georgia, which I like. There are no unions to dictate what I can and cannot do. Being a musician, I've always made at least twice the minimum for my gigs. If I were union, not only would I have to pay dues but I'd have to give them 10% of jobs I'd gotten for myself. I love a free market.

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Re: : whe what fun..barrel, goldfish time. Part II own_the_room August 17 2004, 14:43:58 UTC

Until I can comment on your LJ, I see no reason to allow you to comment or even read your words. I actually would like to discuss things with you periodically but your insistence in disallowing me to comment, regretfully forces me to reciprocate. I'm sure I missed a put down or two. Include me as a friend and you can lambaste and bombast all that you please. We actually might learn a bit from one another.

Jesus Love <strike>Me</strike> Us, This I know... tinkerbelle613 August 17 2004, 16:41:00 UTC

.. 'Cause We love Him, too. Even though we won't admit it.

And we are all going to vote for Bush, even if he does cancel whatever constitutional whatever...

'Cause, if you're like me (Which, I know, not many are), and you take a good, hard look at Kerry... You think "Antichrist". And I am soooo not kidding.

.. And that's my new philosophy!

♥