Comments | paper_castle: "I want to be a good woman, and I want for you to be a good man."

paper_castle

"I want to be a good woman, and I want for you to be a good man."

May 11, 2006 12:54

Monday night I was sitting on the wooden steps in front of my very southern house, waiting for Adam to drive by so we could hit the 1:00 am breakfast specials. Everything was quiet except the distant sound of a passing truck and what seemed to be a broken bicycle coming my way. Only it wasn't a bike, it was two racoons chasing a very squeaky ( Read more... )

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badger5 May 11 2006, 17:32:38 UTC

can't wait to see you on saturday.

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paper_castle May 12 2006, 01:57:08 UTC

The issue is not whether the baby is attached to the mother, but whether or not the baby is an individual. Individual organs don't have human rights, but individuals do.

Attachment and dependency on an environment does not make a being one with that environment. After all, we all rely on some kind of environment to keep us alive. For a human in that particular stage of its life cycle, the necessary environment just happens to be its mother's womb.

Maybe if you could explain why an unborn baby is not an individual. Alternately, you could concede my point that abortion is murder and explain that the burden of morality lies in favor of the mother. Then again, I happen to believe that is true, so you don't have to try to hard to make that particular point.

frou_frou_foxes May 12 2006, 05:17:07 UTC

Baby or clump of cells? Come the fuck ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

paper_castle May 12 2006, 15:06:08 UTC

As I see things, it doesn't matter if you call it a clump of cells, an embryo, a fetus, a baby, a child, a teenager, an adult, or an old woman. It's still a human life.

Please keep in mind that I'm not advocating a pro-life stance here! Choice is the only way to go.

swtmaryanne May 11 2006, 22:25:53 UTC

You should post more. I always enjoy reading what you write no matter how ridiculous it is.

PS - Who cares if it's murder or not. Self-given abortions are one of the leading causes of death for women in countries that don't legalize abortions. It's going to happen and we're just going to start losing the women with the babies unless we wisen up. You know, in my opinion.

I think we are saying swtmaryanne May 12 2006, 00:26:05 UTC

the argument appears to be ... its killing and the other side says NUH UH ( ... )

Re: I think we are saying pobrecito May 12 2006, 08:11:03 UTC

I think the majority of pro-choice people *do* go with the more moderate abortion is still killing route, though. John Kerry in the debates with Bush was always very careful to make his stance that of "Abortion is regrettable, but it must be kept legal to keep it safe." I admit, Amanda and I are more on the radical side by saying, "Fetuses?... Fuck 'em! They ain't people!" It's like you guys are arguing against something that's not really being argued, though. Or at least your argument is only that you think people who think something totally different from what you think are wrong and should shift their whole paradigm in order to frame the debate in a way that is more pleasing to your own beliefs... bwah?!

Re: I think we are saying swtmaryanne May 12 2006, 14:50:53 UTC

I think thats what matthew is asking how are fetuses not individuals was his question. we want a dialogue on it. Calling fetuses non people makes abortion an easy choice then ( ... )

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