Comments | parazel: Brutality

parazel

Brutality

Nov 18, 2006 11:38

Watch This, and Turn Up the Volume:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3CdNgoC0cE

An article on the incident:
http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38958

( Article Behind the Cut )

Comments 15

I'm going to be hard on the kid on purpose here. gale_wind November 18 2006, 17:47:40 UTC

Really.

For once I'm siding with the cops, however what they did was still wrong, just not as wrong of how people are making it to be.

For him and the students, way to go being a stereotypical whiny rich emos by blaming the Patriot Act for abuse of tasers which has probably been around much longer than it.

As the student and the officers were struggling, bystanders repeatedly asked the police officers to stop, and at one point officers told the gathered crowd to stand back and threatened to use a Taser on anyone who got too close.

Yes, that usually happens when people are trying to create a riot. It happened at my school when people crowed around casuing calamity and then a teacher's head was bashed in.

Try reading the Latimes Article.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-cellcamera16nov16,0,4794591.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Re: I'm going to be hard on the kid on purpose here. gale_wind November 18 2006, 17:56:27 UTC

crowded.

This all could have been avoided if he would have simply:

1. Showed them his ID like he's suppose to.

2. Not yell/scream and shout at the police when he was obviously in the wrong for not identifying himself.

What people should have been focusing on was the end part of this, what I mean those extra un-needed taserings. I believe they should be held accountable and punished for that.

Re: I'm going to be hard on the kid on purpose here. parazel November 18 2006, 23:58:10 UTC

He didn't have his ID... and he was already leaving the building when they started Tasering him. He did, apparently, delay for a few minutes, though.

The whole "Patriot Act" thing was probably anger and fear coming out. I'd probably scream something dramatic, too, if someone Tasered me while I was trying to obey them...

Yes, that usually happens when people are trying to create a riot.

Except that there's no evidence that a riot was forming? Only people yelling at the cops to stop... as far as I know, nobody used physical force, except for the cops themselves.

Re: I'm going to be hard on the kid on purpose here. parazel November 19 2006, 00:14:49 UTC

actually, another source says he waited for 20 minutes before leaving. o.o I don't know... reports are conflicting. I still think that using a Taser was unnecessary, especially after he was already handcuffed... and after he "wouldn't get up" (perhaps he couldn't get up).

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descartes_rock November 19 2006, 00:22:35 UTC

I have met some good cops in my time. Some of them are really decent and compassionate people doing a really difficult job, so I apologize to any who might happen to stumble across this comment ( ... )

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descartes_rock November 19 2006, 00:36:28 UTC

Yeah, it's true. But I still feel a lot safer around cops now then I used to. It's funny, when you are little, they are your best friends. At some point, around age 12, they get abusive. Then their attitude changes again in your mid 20s.

Sadly, as an adult, you tend to be okay if you are caucasian and middle-class. But even then, you have to be careful.

Beaten to death, huh? Very scary. I bet he was black or poor or both.

descartes_rock November 19 2006, 03:25:05 UTC

White and schizophrenic still puts him on the margins of society, and the police are always hard on marginal people.

That said, I hate to stereotype people. Some police are also incredibly helpful to marginal people. I really have known some terrific police officers. It's just as a group, they tend to be not very good with those types of people.

gale_wind November 19 2006, 13:04:57 UTC

Exactly, how were they suppose to know he was schizophrenic?

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gale_wind November 19 2006, 16:04:21 UTC

This is a different incident?

I thought he was just tasered not beaten.

Either way, I agree. The first one I could see, but not the others.

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A Black Comedy of Errors lordimperator November 20 2006, 04:06:00 UTC

Error #1:
The male student did not leave the library immediately, or very soon after being asked to leave.

Error #2:
A policeman used unnecessary force to escort the student outside (grabbing the students arm as if he needed help leaving or was thinking of somehow resisting).

Error #3:
The male student began yelling at the police instead of requesting them to release him in a civil manner.

Error #4:
The policemen, after tasering the student, which would have immobilized him as stated in the post, did not remove him bodily from the scene, contenting themselves with simply asking him to get up and not resist (this tactic is known as martyring, or at least it should be, and it is never a good idea to do such a thing when one is an enforcer of the law).

Error #5:
The policemen began threatening the crowd around them with the tasers.

All in all, not a very pleasant affair, caused both by the student's bull-headedness and by the policemen's trigger happy behavior.

Re: A Black Comedy of Errors lordimperator November 20 2006, 04:08:48 UTC

Oh, I almost forgot the point.

The point is that the student deserved what he got, as anyone who cannot remain calm in a situation in which his health is in another's hands, but that the policemen also deserve to get some of their own, as is the case when someone decides to become a sadistic bastard in a room full of morally self-righteous people.