Random pondering and queries

[pathia]

I'm going to speak in broad terms and generalizations and I don't mean offense, but I'll likely cause some.

Comments

Not an authoritative opinion, but it's mine

[jeffxandra]

Like you, I'm trading in generalities which is always a bad thing, but as long as we're aware

Re: Not an authoritative opinion, but it's mine

[jeffxandra]

Another thing to remember is the argument that porn, in and of itself, is objectification of people (regardless of content). i.e. psychologically (very roughly at that), what you see in porn isn't considered to be people doing anything. They are just objects that happen to look like people.

If you buy this idea, then it's not surprising that social conservatives don't consider the porn they view as having any impact on their views concerning what people should or should not do.

Re: Not an authoritative opinion, but it's mine

[pathia]

Many of these folks PLAY the characters, not just objectify.

Re: Not an authoritative opinion, but it's mine

[jeffxandra]

That does not necessarily conclude that they think of what they are playing as a person. Blackface, for instance, could easily be viewed as people not thinking of the role they are playing as a person

[paka]

This is more personal than political in context, but I know that it's possible for someone to accept being fiscally and socially conservative while holding on to the weird gender stuff, for years and years - possibly a lifetime. This isn't the sort of thing I really have any business prying into, but I'm still curious about what thoughts or incidents happened that broke you out of just accepting it.

[pathia]

The incident in the next to last paragraph did it mostly. I was just completely flabbergasted by the situation and it started a fire.

I had this neat little idea, that all that never actually happened. That incidents in the past were hyped up by the ACLU to look as bad as possible for the police. That if person X had just followed the cop Y's instructions, Z wouldn't have happened etc. That cops would do their jobs, because a crime was a crime, no matter who it was against.

What changed it? That all those beliefs are lies in reality. It just doesn't work that way. I mean, I've literally discussed that incident with a furry cop and he was like "Fuck, I'm sorry, but I honestly don't know what you could have done".

When there's no way to complain, or no hate crime law, trying to beat and rape a transsexual is the same as having a bar scuffle, ie: not worth their time in paperwork.

[paka]

Oh, okay! There's a lot of stuff I don't know about you, but that paradigm shift makes sense from what I know about your personality.

[pathia]

I wish I could say I came to the realization without having been burned, but I can't.

[murrday]

Earth and Sky, amiga, I did not know what you have been through. I'm so sorry! No wonder you
are counting incidents in the news.

I'm a survivor of abuse myself, different circumstances, but it leaves me with an understanding
of that similar quality of pain.

And I gently urge again - go to Alexandra Billings' LJ - http://abillings.livejournal.com/
She is as you are, and she has been for much longer. She's good people, easy to talk with.
She can help you with some of your questions from knowing exactly what it's like, herself.

And remember that your wellbeing matters to me.
*Hugs* Peg

[hydra_velsen]

Same thing applies to avatars. You can get fired for wearing a nonhuman AV with some companies.

[pathia]

Fursecution!

Actually that is pretty screwy though, never heard of it!

Edit: Does that include like mecha. Say, is it OK to be a anime fan, but not a furry with such a company?

[shatterstripes]

Man, if I was looking for work in SL I wouldn't even begin to talk to places like that. All my avatars are somewhat inhuman.

[dv_girl]

There are multiple ways it works.

Social conservatism is the default. If you have liberal parents, you're probably going to be fairly liberal yourself, whereas, if you have conservative parents, you're at least going to start off being conservative and then only move out of it by your own experiences. And social conservatism is almost always 'everyone but me'. I volunteered doing abortion clinic defense when I lived in Oklahoma and I swear to you that no less than 1/4th of the people who came to the clinic said variants of "Abortion is wrong and you're going to burn in Hell but (We can't afford to have another baby right now/I'm not going to let my daughter make the same mistake I made) You know. Abortion is wrong for other people. Those evil feminists who do it just for fun, apparently

[miriafox]

I think you've kinda hit it on the hammer with this one, least from my perceptions.

[starblade_enkai]

Except I saw born with liberal parents and turned out pretty much libertarian and a student of Objectivism. Though I did start off being liberal, so you've got a point.

[dv_girl]

Ah well. Sometimes evolution does hit a dead end. B^)