I'm confused what you mean about something being "alcohol's fault". It's a chemical; no one is suggesting that it take responsibility for its actions. What I was saying in that comment wasn't that alcohol was solely to blame for the bad things that happened, or that someone who's drunk isn't responsible for his own actions (which is exactly the opposite of what I believe, incidentally). What I said was that alcohol was a huge contributing factor in what ended up screwing up these people's lives. Not that one example is a conclusive argument - that was just the conversation that was going on while I was reading Ilana's post
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And I think I'm mostly with you. It just seemed to me like your explanation put too much weight on the alcohol itself and not on the people. But I agree that people take responsibility for your own actions even when you drink. If you are truely worried about what you can do if you drink, you shouldn't drink, so I agree with your point.
I think those are both very mature opinions. For the most part I agree with them. I'd rather leave the whole subject alone, but I can't help but chauvinistically defend something I enjoy.
I think that our little LJ circle of dorks should make a set of bylaws, one of which bans any future discussion of this topic.
The price you pay for bringing up either my Chinese or American heritage as a negative is: I collect your fucking head.
I've always thought Godwin's law didn't apply when a Jew is speaking, I feel like we have a "get out of jail free," card when ti comes to that law, because the holocaust deals with us (of course you'd be expected to use it responsibly).
I saw this assuming that Godwin's law refers only to the use of the holocaust. And if it doesn't, I object to our social circle installing a Godwin's law, why stifle creativity. If you see an entry starts to deal with a topic you don't like, just don't finish the entry.
Maybe this is because of where I am from, but I'm still confused as to where this is coming from. I don't know of any person who honestly thinks that you need to drink in order to be friends with themIt probably has a lot less to do with where you are and a lot more to do with the fact that you drink. People are not going to give you shit for not drinking if that's not the case. I sincerely doubt it doesnt happen over there. It's also not an issue of people who drink not being willing to be friends with poeple who dont. It's an issue of giving them shit for it. There's a large difference. You're own friends can give you shit for it. I don't like it when people assume that I think I'm on a moral highground for not drinking, I don't ike it when people tell me to loosen up when they find out i dont drink, I don't like it when people shove alcohol in my face sarcastically offering me a drink and laughing like its the most hilarious thing when the punch line "oh wait... i forgot, STRAIGHT EDGE!!" comes along. I find it amusing
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with all of the talk of trust in your friends, i beg you to take their concern into account. They are looking out for your health, it doesnt matter if you find it annoying. You said yourself they are not telling you not to drink, they are telling you to moderate it. Please, at least step back and think about your drinking habbits if your friends are concerned.
I appreciate your concern, but, to be completely honest, I feel like you are making me sound like some sort of alcoholic and I am not. I have not puked once since I got here. They have not had to call the ambulance on me once. I don't go to desperate measures just to drink on a Monday. If I am doing those things, its the proper time to tell me to heed my friends' concerns. Moderation is an ongoing struggle, and sometimes the best way to learn is through experience, and not through anyone telling you, at least at this point.
I understand where you are coming from, but I feel like you need to know more about the nature of the situation before you tell me something like that. Otherwise, all you are going to do is make your friends mad and add to this polarization.
I've stayed relatively silent on this whole issue, but since so many people seem to disagree with you I thought I'd just reply and tell you that I totally agree with just about everything you've said.
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And I think I'm mostly with you. It just seemed to me like your explanation put too much weight on the alcohol itself and not on the people. But I agree that people take responsibility for your own actions even when you drink. If you are truely worried about what you can do if you drink, you shouldn't drink, so I agree with your point.
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I think that our little LJ circle of dorks should make a set of bylaws, one of which bans any future discussion of this topic.
The price you pay for bringing up either my Chinese or American heritage as a negative is: I collect your fucking head.
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Oh, I see what you mean.
Yes, Godwin's Law also in effect starting now.
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I saw this assuming that Godwin's law refers only to the use of the holocaust. And if it doesn't, I object to our social circle installing a Godwin's law, why stifle creativity. If you see an entry starts to deal with a topic you don't like, just don't finish the entry.
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I understand where you are coming from, but I feel like you need to know more about the nature of the situation before you tell me something like that. Otherwise, all you are going to do is make your friends mad and add to this polarization.
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