Captain America: Civil War discussion post
I guess this is going to be a semi-annual thing now - making a post where spoilery discussion can be held without ruining everyone else's day.
Commentary after the cut
So that happened. And honestly, it wasn't as catastrophic as I was worried it might be.
Yes, the bad guy won and both Team Cap and Team Iron Man are kinda screwed but none of the Avengers died and T'Challa was A+.
So much happened that I need to see it again before I can do real character meta, but here are a few of the things that stood out for me:
1 - They really need to stop making Tony Stark the stupidest genius ever just for the sake of launching plot lines; its such a bad cliche. I know Tony is inextricably tied to the military industrial complex even though he's stopped making weapons and obviously he has a million of his own issues, but working with Ross?! For fuck sake - this is a guy Tony has cannonically hated since before he met Bruce Banner. I don't care if he is the Secretary of Defense (and how the FUCK did that happen), Tony Stark has enough clout to demand a different liason and he should know better than to trust him. I was really hoping we were going to get some hint that this 'cooperation' was in an effort to distract Ross from Banner but apparently not. Also basically every viewer came out of CA: Winter Soldier suspecting that HYDRA had used him to kill Howard. How on Earth did this completely blindside Tony? I mean I know they kept mentioning his issues but seriously they also admitted it had been years. How did he not pick up on it? How did JARVIS not pick up on it? I just - ugh! This is my biggest suspension of disbelief problem.
2 - I wish Marvel/Disney/etc had the balls to just make Steve Rogers bisexual because JFC!
3 - The noobs - T'Challa can stay (and GET IT!). Spider-man wasn't bad but I'm just so tired of Spidermen.
4 - The not-so-noobs - I enjoyed the Wanda/Vision bits. Sam is a gift. Natasha had some awesome moments, and as always (it seems) Clint could have had more to do. Also, I'm actually considering finally watching Ant-man so there's that.
5 - Tony Stank - I'm with Rhodey - never letting that one go, and I'm very glad to see he survived.
I think that's all I've got for now. Thoughts?
Commentary after the cut
So that happened. And honestly, it wasn't as catastrophic as I was worried it might be.
Yes, the bad guy won and both Team Cap and Team Iron Man are kinda screwed but none of the Avengers died and T'Challa was A+.
So much happened that I need to see it again before I can do real character meta, but here are a few of the things that stood out for me:
1 - They really need to stop making Tony Stark the stupidest genius ever just for the sake of launching plot lines; its such a bad cliche. I know Tony is inextricably tied to the military industrial complex even though he's stopped making weapons and obviously he has a million of his own issues, but working with Ross?! For fuck sake - this is a guy Tony has cannonically hated since before he met Bruce Banner. I don't care if he is the Secretary of Defense (and how the FUCK did that happen), Tony Stark has enough clout to demand a different liason and he should know better than to trust him. I was really hoping we were going to get some hint that this 'cooperation' was in an effort to distract Ross from Banner but apparently not. Also basically every viewer came out of CA: Winter Soldier suspecting that HYDRA had used him to kill Howard. How on Earth did this completely blindside Tony? I mean I know they kept mentioning his issues but seriously they also admitted it had been years. How did he not pick up on it? How did JARVIS not pick up on it? I just - ugh! This is my biggest suspension of disbelief problem.
2 - I wish Marvel/Disney/etc had the balls to just make Steve Rogers bisexual because JFC!
3 - The noobs - T'Challa can stay (and GET IT!). Spider-man wasn't bad but I'm just so tired of Spidermen.
4 - The not-so-noobs - I enjoyed the Wanda/Vision bits. Sam is a gift. Natasha had some awesome moments, and as always (it seems) Clint could have had more to do. Also, I'm actually considering finally watching Ant-man so there's that.
5 - Tony Stank - I'm with Rhodey - never letting that one go, and I'm very glad to see he survived.
I think that's all I've got for now. Thoughts?