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Matthew sent me this informative interview with Weezer, about "Make Believe." Click on the magic .
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BEVERLY HILLS
Rivers: I was at the opening of the new Hollywood Bowl and I flipped
through the program and I saw a picture of Wilson Phillips. And for
some reason I just thought how nice it would be to marry, like, an
"established" celebrity and live in Beverly Hills and be part of that
world. And it was a totally sincere desire. And then I wrote that
song, Beverly Hills. For some reason, by the time it came out-and the
video came out-it got twisted around into something that seemed
sarcastic. But originally it wasn't meant to be sarcastic at all.
Pat: I think that's - that happens a lot with Weezer songs. People
think we're being funny, and then somehow it changes into something
[else]. And I'd also like to say that Rick said, 'why don't you have a
boom-boom-chop song?' And that's how it turned into that.
Scott: For me, two things I want to say about it. One is that I kept
trying to think that it was supposed to be like a swing beat, with
kind of a lot of upbeats, and a lot of jingly kind of thing, but as
much as I kept trying to make that happen, it just never worked and it
wound up being totally, totally straighter than straight, which I
think wound up being the best thing for the song, all said and done.
And then the next thing was, is that, when I heard all of the
different mixes-cuz we had like four different people mix it-it just,
it sounded good and I kind of dug one version of it, but when I heard
the mix that Rich Costey did, somehow he put the kind of magic on that
song that I was kind of expecting to get out of it.
Brian: When I first heard the song, it was a Rivers demo of it, and I
think I called him and said, 'Congratulations, you wrote a hit song.'
It had a hit immediately, regardless of-even more from its original
version than from something else. To me, it was like - whatever "hit
song" means - that's what it evoked [for] me. I thought it would be a
great - there was a reality haircutting show called "blow out" or
"blow up" or something like that, about this salon in Beverly Hills,
and I was trying to sell Rivers on letting that be that show's theme
song. But luckily we never did that.
PERFECT SITUATION
Pat: It sounds like it could have been on the Green Album. I think of
it as, like, classic Weezer.
Scott: To me it's just an epic drama, and I felt really strong about
it being on the album. The lyrics of the first verse always just
really killed me, so I really pushed hard for that song to make the
record.
Brian: Yeah, I like it lyrically a lot: "Here's the pitch, slow and
straight", bla bla bla bla bla bla bla, and yeah, like Pat said, it's
classic Weezer Green Album style, a lot of downstrokes, the big intro,
it could have gone on that album. But I think it's more than that
now-it's uh, you know, Green Plus!
Rivers: I sincerely hope that it's the last song I write about being
frustrated and angry with myself for being shy…because I've written
way too many of those songs already.
THIS IS SUCH A PITY
Scott: That song was tough, and it was the first song we tried to
track at Grandmaster, I think, it was like the first night, and we
probably retracked the basic drums for that, like four or five
different times and it was almost going to get thrown out. But
somehow, at the last minute, it came together, and it sounds
absolutely magical to me. And that's one of my favorite songs on the
album.
Pat: Yeah, it sounds awesome. Wicked melody.
Rivers: Yeah, that might be my favorite song on the record. I really
like the solo Brian came up with too.
Brian: Ironically [laughs], I don't play any of the guitars on it-but
most all the guitars on it in the studio-and I don't play of them
live, which I think it kind of funny. It's really fun to watch Bobby
and Rivers play that song every night. It feels like-
Rivers: You're the composer and we're the performers
Brian: Yeah, yeah! It's neat, it's really cool. I love the notes that
Rivers added to the solo. I feel that that song could be-that Weezer
might-things that Weezer can do and go in the future, as far as
texture, and the use of clean guitars. I don't think there's any
distorted guitars on that song.
Rivers: All the keyboard sounds are from a Casio.
Brian: We even tried using expensive Moogs and things, to try to,
like, "this can't be good enough, a Casio?" and the tones just didn't
blend. And we ended up using the Casio.
Scott: It's got a really cool, super consistent, like, kind of level
from start to finish, which I think is really neat.
HOLD ME
Pat: It's just beautiful; it's huge-sounding
Rivers: I think I was trying a foolish experiment of fasting and
seeing how that would affect my songwriting. So, I think I was
extremely hungry when I wrote that song.
Brian: I can't say anything better than that! But it's a powerful song
dynamically. It's really ballsy to play that song, to have Rivers do
an intro that long before the band kicks in is a little bit
frightening. And it seems to work; it has a very grandiose impact.
Rivers: When the back-up vocals come in in the second verse, that's
one of my favorite moments ever on a Weezer record.
Scott: It's just an example, for me, of playing as little as possible
and it sounds so much bigger by playing the tiniest amount of bass. As
light and small as I could, winds up being just twice as big.
Brian: For some reason I liken it to 'Say It Ain't So'….and I don't
know why. I think it's just the mellow verse into the huge chorus.
It's a great change.
PEACE
Scott: I still don't know how the acoustic guitar really goes.
[laughter] I just always think of Rick Rubin in the studio, just
moving his head back and forth, rockin' in the control room. You know,
that's the picture I have about this song. And it felt like it was
important for this song to be on the album, as well.
Brian: It's a great sentiment. It doesn't come across as being,
like…you know, too hippie-ish, which is good, but musically it's such
a simple chord progression that a child could play it and that's
always a good sign, first off, when we don't have to think about it
too much when we play it. I think it's just a great message. I think
we need a song like that these days.
Rivers: Yeah, it's actually not coming from a "hippie" place at all.
So people shouldn't be worried that now I'm Mr. Peace, or whatever.
[laughs] If you listen to the lyrics, I'm actually - I was actually in
a place of war, not peace, just total inner struggle and decadence. I
was just exasperated and longing for some kind of escape from that
sort of lifestyle. So the song is actually not coming from a place of
peace at all.
WE ARE ALL ON DRUGS
Rivers: I was living in an apartment above the Sunset Strip, and every
Friday and Saturday night I'd hear people cruising and partying, and
hooting and hollering. And I went to sleep one night and I heard those
sounds all through the night, in my dreams. I had this dream about a
kid on the Metro bus, blasting hip hop into his brain through his
headphones. And the music sounded so decadent and overstimulating, and
I woke up in the midst of that dream, in a haze, and immediately said
to myself, "Man, we're all on drugs!" And I instantly knew that would
be a cool song.
Brian: I remember the first time Rivers played it for me, and just
felt this, like, 'can we do this?' You know, I mean, this is a hit
song, without a doubt. Just singing that chorus the first time, when
we played these songs acoustically in the office, it was just a riot
because it was just so much-it was like I felt like we were doing
something illegal by saying that. And there were thoughts like, how
are parents going to like this? Or you know, are we going to be banned
from kids, you know, listening, whatever, their album collections? I
think it's a great song because it's not saying anything positive or
negative about drugs. It's one of those ambivalent songs. I'm just
glad that my guitar intro got used. [laughs]
Pat: Yeah, I had to fight for that, man! You guys had this other thing
going on, where you wanted it to be all mellow, when it was so obvious
to me that it should be the big rock track. I love that intro.
Rivers [to Brian]: Yeah, I loved your intro from the first time you
brought it in. On this album you've come up with so many great intros
and musical interludes.
Brian: Well, that's what great about our music, too, is there's
different ways to interpret it., and I think all of them should be
explored, because I actually liked-Rivers had a different version of
it that worked equally as well. I think everything should be explored,
or else we're cheating ourselves.
Rivers: And also, it's interesting that we've found that sometimes one
of the other guys will start singing a line that I came up with, and
it sounds a million times better. Like on this song, when Scott sings
"never get enough" in the chorus, it's just, it's so right, it's
obvious that he has to sing that.
Scott: Right on! It's funny, and I remember you talking about - when
you were living in that apartment-it's like, 'I always hear these
people going, 'WHOOO! WHOO! All night long, a whole car full of girls
are like, 'WHOO!'' and that's exactly what we sing in that song.
[laughter] It's really cool. After the first chorus at these shows,
even though nobody knows the song yet, people are so into it. Out of
all the new songs, that song seems to hit people the fastest, to me.
Pat: Yeah, Kevin and Bean talk about that song all the time, I guess.
They're like, 'that's the best title ever!'
THE DAMAGE IN YOUR HEART
Brian: "The Damage in Your Heart" was actually a song that me, Scott,
and Pat kind of fought for, or wanted, from Rivers' demo. When he went
back to school, we kind of finished the album, had our twelve songs,
and that was one of the ones that we thought we should look at again.
For some reason, the three of us were drawn to it…
Pat: I think it was Rivers' 13th favorite, right?
Rivers: Something like that
Brian: And he was really open to the idea of trying anything we wanted
to try on this album, so, you know, we tried lots of songs that didn't
make it. But the fact that we persisted on that-just took his demo and
kind of redid it while he was gone, and then he finished it up-was
kind of an interesting process. I don't know if the song, for me,
turned out as well as I wanted it to, but it certainly is a nice song.
Rivers: Yeah, I have to say I'm really grateful to these guys for
believing in this song and pushing for it to be on the album. And in
so many other ways, just like this, they helped me stay on course
while we were making the album, and keep me from going too far in one
direction or the other, either with my songwriting, or my singing, or
my guitar-playing. This album wouldn't even exist if it weren't for
the other three guys in this band really keeping me on course, and
supporting me, pushing me, encouraging me. So it was a real band
effort.
Scott: Cool
Pat: That's huge
PARDON ME
Scott: It's funny, in the studio it seemed like a lot of chord changes
and when we play it live, it really takes on its own, kind of, life
form which never ceases to amaze me. To me, it almost seems
complicated, but then again it's so simple and so clear and people
really seem to get off on it.
Brian: I think this was a song that I fought for at Rick Rubin's
house. [laughs] 'Wait, we forgot about this song!' I remember running
out to my car, and grabbed-we must have, 75 to 100 - not even
exaggerating - CD's of demos and B-sides-or what we consider might be
B-sides, A-Lists that turn into B-Lists, B-Lists that turn into
A-Lists…it gets really confusing and it's easy to forget about things.
But I made everyone listen to it, and I think 3/4ths of the way into
the song it comes back around to that one moment..and everything
sounds so good at Rick Rubin's house, because he has this
uber-sound-system, and it just was, like, apparent that we had to do
it. And I thought it was just an unbelievably sincere message that
Rivers was conveying and that - I don't know if he knew the weight of
what he was saying. It was really great.
Pat: Yeah, I love the way when I listen to that song I hear someone
really being very..it just sounds like, okay, this guy has something
he wants to say, I love that. It sounds very truthful.
Brian: Also, it's a personal lyric but it's extremely universal
because, you know, it's hard to say "I'm sorry" in any sense, it's
hard to admit fault, and I just think it's a song for all guys that
don't know how to express themselves, so that they can at least sing
that lyric to whoever they harm-their girlfriend, or whatever.
[laughter]
Pat: Yeah, like George Bush could go to North Korea and say, "I'm really sorry"
MY BEST FRIEND
Scott: That's a wild…that's one song that's, like, kind of, like a
wild card on the record, I gotta say. Cuz…that was…yeah, that's a wild
track. And we left it -
Pat: No one thought about that song for the longest time, the next
thing I know, 'we're doing that song!'
Scott: Yeah, and when we kind of went back and tightened everything
up, it was one of the songs that I think I left all of the bass from
when we tracked it. That's just nuts.
Pat: It's on fire. That song sounds like it's on fire to me.
Rivers: I'm trying to think of something interesting…
Pat: That it didn't go with Shrek?
Rivers: It's such a complicated story, I don't know if it's that interesting.
Scott" I'm glad that it didn't, I can say that much.
Rivers: Yeah, that song has some weird karma with Shrek. I remember I
originally wrote it about some guy I met, and then Shrek asked us if
we had a song, and then I thought, 'oh yeah, I remember that song, let
me think about showing it to them', and they actually thought it
sounded too much like it was written for Shrek. 'Cuz this guy was kind
of ogre-ish, and he made me laugh…
Brian: And you changed the lyrics for them, right?
Rivers: So I had to change the lyrics so it sounded less Shrek-like
Pat: Shrek-y?
Rivers: Shrek-ish!
Pat: Shrek-ish? Puck-ish?
Scott: It will live on longer than Shrek 2 will.
Rivers: I don't know if it's that interesting.
Brian: But it was also…I think at the moment when the Shrek people
wanted it, it wasn't complete either. And that would have been the
version that would have been the first Weezer song people heard in 3
years, and it wasn't actually finished to the best it could have been,
so it's a blessing that we got to work on it a little longer.
Rivers: Yeah, I feel the same way. It got so much better. I resang it,
put the organ on it, it sounds way better. We put the drum sounds on
it…
THE OTHER WAY
Pat: That song sounds like every note is placed exactly where it's
supposed to go, like…it's one of those songs where nothing sounds out
of place, it just sounds great to me.
Rivers: I wrote that song for Jennifer Chiba after Elliot died, and I
wanted to console her, but I was confused and skeptical about my own
motives for wanting to do so, so I wrote that song about that.
FREAK ME OUT
[laughter]
Brian: I'm already on the record saying it's about a spider, that's
all I know about it. But it's some of the coolest guitar stuff ever,
and I can say that because Rivers came up with it, so I don't sound
conceited. But I think that Rivers didn't want the harmonics on it-[to
Rivers] right, at one point?
Rivers: Uhhhh…probably. [laughs]
Brian: But there's three guitars playing those harmonics. There were
notes that I didn't know even made harmonics. It took me a long time
to figure out what was going on, and how to play it. It was a song,
for me, that I discovered things about the guitar I didn't know about.
And that's always amazing when you've been playing an instrument for
20 years, and you find a new sound it makes - it's cool, you know?
Scott: It reminds me of the apartment that Rivers had above the Sunset
Strip, with like, a yoga mat, a spoon, a bowl, a bar of soap, and a
towel-that's about all that was in there.
Rivers: I didn't have a bowl!
[laughter]
I didn't!
Scott: …and just sitting in there…and it was just, I don't know…
Brian: It's probably the most un-Weezer-like track that's ever been on
an album, whatever that means, and I think, you know, that that could
be good.
Rivers: I think, it didn't work until Pat put the drum-beat on there.
Cuz when I originally wrote it, and recorded the demo, it was some
weird, New Age drum beat that I found in the Casio.
Scott: Oh yeah, it was total, like, "In the Air"…
Rivers: "This song's kinda cool, but…"
Scott: It was like a Phil Collins beat!
Rivers: And then as soon as Pat put his beat on it, it sounded like Weezer.
Scott: Yeah, Pat's beat is correct on that song.
Brian: It was a good…it was fun song to track live as a band too. I
felt like something special happened while tracking it.
HAUNT YOU EVERY DAY
Rivers: Rick said, write a song like Billy Joel or Elton John, so…
Brian: But no pressure!
[laughter]
Rivers: So, I didn't really accomplish that at all, but I did write a
song on the piano. So that's about as close as I could come.
Brian: I think it's a beautiful chord progression. It's deceptively
simple too. It sounds a little more complex than it is, and it's great
fun to play live - I wish we would've tracked it more, and played it -
approached it more how we do now. But I think it came across pretty
well. But I think - any regrets, I wish we could re-record that song
how we do it right now.
Scott: It's another one of those songs where the less bass notes I
play on it, the better it works. I remember switching back and forth
from trying to do it on piano, or Rivers playing it on guitar, and
then going back and back and back, and it turned out to be just right.
Rivers: It's the first song I wrote entirely on piano.
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BEVERLY HILLS
Rivers: I was at the opening of the new Hollywood Bowl and I flipped
through the program and I saw a picture of Wilson Phillips. And for
some reason I just thought how nice it would be to marry, like, an
"established" celebrity and live in Beverly Hills and be part of that
world. And it was a totally sincere desire. And then I wrote that
song, Beverly Hills. For some reason, by the time it came out-and the
video came out-it got twisted around into something that seemed
sarcastic. But originally it wasn't meant to be sarcastic at all.
Pat: I think that's - that happens a lot with Weezer songs. People
think we're being funny, and then somehow it changes into something
[else]. And I'd also like to say that Rick said, 'why don't you have a
boom-boom-chop song?' And that's how it turned into that.
Scott: For me, two things I want to say about it. One is that I kept
trying to think that it was supposed to be like a swing beat, with
kind of a lot of upbeats, and a lot of jingly kind of thing, but as
much as I kept trying to make that happen, it just never worked and it
wound up being totally, totally straighter than straight, which I
think wound up being the best thing for the song, all said and done.
And then the next thing was, is that, when I heard all of the
different mixes-cuz we had like four different people mix it-it just,
it sounded good and I kind of dug one version of it, but when I heard
the mix that Rich Costey did, somehow he put the kind of magic on that
song that I was kind of expecting to get out of it.
Brian: When I first heard the song, it was a Rivers demo of it, and I
think I called him and said, 'Congratulations, you wrote a hit song.'
It had a hit immediately, regardless of-even more from its original
version than from something else. To me, it was like - whatever "hit
song" means - that's what it evoked [for] me. I thought it would be a
great - there was a reality haircutting show called "blow out" or
"blow up" or something like that, about this salon in Beverly Hills,
and I was trying to sell Rivers on letting that be that show's theme
song. But luckily we never did that.
PERFECT SITUATION
Pat: It sounds like it could have been on the Green Album. I think of
it as, like, classic Weezer.
Scott: To me it's just an epic drama, and I felt really strong about
it being on the album. The lyrics of the first verse always just
really killed me, so I really pushed hard for that song to make the
record.
Brian: Yeah, I like it lyrically a lot: "Here's the pitch, slow and
straight", bla bla bla bla bla bla bla, and yeah, like Pat said, it's
classic Weezer Green Album style, a lot of downstrokes, the big intro,
it could have gone on that album. But I think it's more than that
now-it's uh, you know, Green Plus!
Rivers: I sincerely hope that it's the last song I write about being
frustrated and angry with myself for being shy…because I've written
way too many of those songs already.
THIS IS SUCH A PITY
Scott: That song was tough, and it was the first song we tried to
track at Grandmaster, I think, it was like the first night, and we
probably retracked the basic drums for that, like four or five
different times and it was almost going to get thrown out. But
somehow, at the last minute, it came together, and it sounds
absolutely magical to me. And that's one of my favorite songs on the
album.
Pat: Yeah, it sounds awesome. Wicked melody.
Rivers: Yeah, that might be my favorite song on the record. I really
like the solo Brian came up with too.
Brian: Ironically [laughs], I don't play any of the guitars on it-but
most all the guitars on it in the studio-and I don't play of them
live, which I think it kind of funny. It's really fun to watch Bobby
and Rivers play that song every night. It feels like-
Rivers: You're the composer and we're the performers
Brian: Yeah, yeah! It's neat, it's really cool. I love the notes that
Rivers added to the solo. I feel that that song could be-that Weezer
might-things that Weezer can do and go in the future, as far as
texture, and the use of clean guitars. I don't think there's any
distorted guitars on that song.
Rivers: All the keyboard sounds are from a Casio.
Brian: We even tried using expensive Moogs and things, to try to,
like, "this can't be good enough, a Casio?" and the tones just didn't
blend. And we ended up using the Casio.
Scott: It's got a really cool, super consistent, like, kind of level
from start to finish, which I think is really neat.
HOLD ME
Pat: It's just beautiful; it's huge-sounding
Rivers: I think I was trying a foolish experiment of fasting and
seeing how that would affect my songwriting. So, I think I was
extremely hungry when I wrote that song.
Brian: I can't say anything better than that! But it's a powerful song
dynamically. It's really ballsy to play that song, to have Rivers do
an intro that long before the band kicks in is a little bit
frightening. And it seems to work; it has a very grandiose impact.
Rivers: When the back-up vocals come in in the second verse, that's
one of my favorite moments ever on a Weezer record.
Scott: It's just an example, for me, of playing as little as possible
and it sounds so much bigger by playing the tiniest amount of bass. As
light and small as I could, winds up being just twice as big.
Brian: For some reason I liken it to 'Say It Ain't So'….and I don't
know why. I think it's just the mellow verse into the huge chorus.
It's a great change.
PEACE
Scott: I still don't know how the acoustic guitar really goes.
[laughter] I just always think of Rick Rubin in the studio, just
moving his head back and forth, rockin' in the control room. You know,
that's the picture I have about this song. And it felt like it was
important for this song to be on the album, as well.
Brian: It's a great sentiment. It doesn't come across as being,
like…you know, too hippie-ish, which is good, but musically it's such
a simple chord progression that a child could play it and that's
always a good sign, first off, when we don't have to think about it
too much when we play it. I think it's just a great message. I think
we need a song like that these days.
Rivers: Yeah, it's actually not coming from a "hippie" place at all.
So people shouldn't be worried that now I'm Mr. Peace, or whatever.
[laughs] If you listen to the lyrics, I'm actually - I was actually in
a place of war, not peace, just total inner struggle and decadence. I
was just exasperated and longing for some kind of escape from that
sort of lifestyle. So the song is actually not coming from a place of
peace at all.
WE ARE ALL ON DRUGS
Rivers: I was living in an apartment above the Sunset Strip, and every
Friday and Saturday night I'd hear people cruising and partying, and
hooting and hollering. And I went to sleep one night and I heard those
sounds all through the night, in my dreams. I had this dream about a
kid on the Metro bus, blasting hip hop into his brain through his
headphones. And the music sounded so decadent and overstimulating, and
I woke up in the midst of that dream, in a haze, and immediately said
to myself, "Man, we're all on drugs!" And I instantly knew that would
be a cool song.
Brian: I remember the first time Rivers played it for me, and just
felt this, like, 'can we do this?' You know, I mean, this is a hit
song, without a doubt. Just singing that chorus the first time, when
we played these songs acoustically in the office, it was just a riot
because it was just so much-it was like I felt like we were doing
something illegal by saying that. And there were thoughts like, how
are parents going to like this? Or you know, are we going to be banned
from kids, you know, listening, whatever, their album collections? I
think it's a great song because it's not saying anything positive or
negative about drugs. It's one of those ambivalent songs. I'm just
glad that my guitar intro got used. [laughs]
Pat: Yeah, I had to fight for that, man! You guys had this other thing
going on, where you wanted it to be all mellow, when it was so obvious
to me that it should be the big rock track. I love that intro.
Rivers [to Brian]: Yeah, I loved your intro from the first time you
brought it in. On this album you've come up with so many great intros
and musical interludes.
Brian: Well, that's what great about our music, too, is there's
different ways to interpret it., and I think all of them should be
explored, because I actually liked-Rivers had a different version of
it that worked equally as well. I think everything should be explored,
or else we're cheating ourselves.
Rivers: And also, it's interesting that we've found that sometimes one
of the other guys will start singing a line that I came up with, and
it sounds a million times better. Like on this song, when Scott sings
"never get enough" in the chorus, it's just, it's so right, it's
obvious that he has to sing that.
Scott: Right on! It's funny, and I remember you talking about - when
you were living in that apartment-it's like, 'I always hear these
people going, 'WHOOO! WHOO! All night long, a whole car full of girls
are like, 'WHOO!'' and that's exactly what we sing in that song.
[laughter] It's really cool. After the first chorus at these shows,
even though nobody knows the song yet, people are so into it. Out of
all the new songs, that song seems to hit people the fastest, to me.
Pat: Yeah, Kevin and Bean talk about that song all the time, I guess.
They're like, 'that's the best title ever!'
THE DAMAGE IN YOUR HEART
Brian: "The Damage in Your Heart" was actually a song that me, Scott,
and Pat kind of fought for, or wanted, from Rivers' demo. When he went
back to school, we kind of finished the album, had our twelve songs,
and that was one of the ones that we thought we should look at again.
For some reason, the three of us were drawn to it…
Pat: I think it was Rivers' 13th favorite, right?
Rivers: Something like that
Brian: And he was really open to the idea of trying anything we wanted
to try on this album, so, you know, we tried lots of songs that didn't
make it. But the fact that we persisted on that-just took his demo and
kind of redid it while he was gone, and then he finished it up-was
kind of an interesting process. I don't know if the song, for me,
turned out as well as I wanted it to, but it certainly is a nice song.
Rivers: Yeah, I have to say I'm really grateful to these guys for
believing in this song and pushing for it to be on the album. And in
so many other ways, just like this, they helped me stay on course
while we were making the album, and keep me from going too far in one
direction or the other, either with my songwriting, or my singing, or
my guitar-playing. This album wouldn't even exist if it weren't for
the other three guys in this band really keeping me on course, and
supporting me, pushing me, encouraging me. So it was a real band
effort.
Scott: Cool
Pat: That's huge
PARDON ME
Scott: It's funny, in the studio it seemed like a lot of chord changes
and when we play it live, it really takes on its own, kind of, life
form which never ceases to amaze me. To me, it almost seems
complicated, but then again it's so simple and so clear and people
really seem to get off on it.
Brian: I think this was a song that I fought for at Rick Rubin's
house. [laughs] 'Wait, we forgot about this song!' I remember running
out to my car, and grabbed-we must have, 75 to 100 - not even
exaggerating - CD's of demos and B-sides-or what we consider might be
B-sides, A-Lists that turn into B-Lists, B-Lists that turn into
A-Lists…it gets really confusing and it's easy to forget about things.
But I made everyone listen to it, and I think 3/4ths of the way into
the song it comes back around to that one moment..and everything
sounds so good at Rick Rubin's house, because he has this
uber-sound-system, and it just was, like, apparent that we had to do
it. And I thought it was just an unbelievably sincere message that
Rivers was conveying and that - I don't know if he knew the weight of
what he was saying. It was really great.
Pat: Yeah, I love the way when I listen to that song I hear someone
really being very..it just sounds like, okay, this guy has something
he wants to say, I love that. It sounds very truthful.
Brian: Also, it's a personal lyric but it's extremely universal
because, you know, it's hard to say "I'm sorry" in any sense, it's
hard to admit fault, and I just think it's a song for all guys that
don't know how to express themselves, so that they can at least sing
that lyric to whoever they harm-their girlfriend, or whatever.
[laughter]
Pat: Yeah, like George Bush could go to North Korea and say, "I'm really sorry"
MY BEST FRIEND
Scott: That's a wild…that's one song that's, like, kind of, like a
wild card on the record, I gotta say. Cuz…that was…yeah, that's a wild
track. And we left it -
Pat: No one thought about that song for the longest time, the next
thing I know, 'we're doing that song!'
Scott: Yeah, and when we kind of went back and tightened everything
up, it was one of the songs that I think I left all of the bass from
when we tracked it. That's just nuts.
Pat: It's on fire. That song sounds like it's on fire to me.
Rivers: I'm trying to think of something interesting…
Pat: That it didn't go with Shrek?
Rivers: It's such a complicated story, I don't know if it's that interesting.
Scott" I'm glad that it didn't, I can say that much.
Rivers: Yeah, that song has some weird karma with Shrek. I remember I
originally wrote it about some guy I met, and then Shrek asked us if
we had a song, and then I thought, 'oh yeah, I remember that song, let
me think about showing it to them', and they actually thought it
sounded too much like it was written for Shrek. 'Cuz this guy was kind
of ogre-ish, and he made me laugh…
Brian: And you changed the lyrics for them, right?
Rivers: So I had to change the lyrics so it sounded less Shrek-like
Pat: Shrek-y?
Rivers: Shrek-ish!
Pat: Shrek-ish? Puck-ish?
Scott: It will live on longer than Shrek 2 will.
Rivers: I don't know if it's that interesting.
Brian: But it was also…I think at the moment when the Shrek people
wanted it, it wasn't complete either. And that would have been the
version that would have been the first Weezer song people heard in 3
years, and it wasn't actually finished to the best it could have been,
so it's a blessing that we got to work on it a little longer.
Rivers: Yeah, I feel the same way. It got so much better. I resang it,
put the organ on it, it sounds way better. We put the drum sounds on
it…
THE OTHER WAY
Pat: That song sounds like every note is placed exactly where it's
supposed to go, like…it's one of those songs where nothing sounds out
of place, it just sounds great to me.
Rivers: I wrote that song for Jennifer Chiba after Elliot died, and I
wanted to console her, but I was confused and skeptical about my own
motives for wanting to do so, so I wrote that song about that.
FREAK ME OUT
[laughter]
Brian: I'm already on the record saying it's about a spider, that's
all I know about it. But it's some of the coolest guitar stuff ever,
and I can say that because Rivers came up with it, so I don't sound
conceited. But I think that Rivers didn't want the harmonics on it-[to
Rivers] right, at one point?
Rivers: Uhhhh…probably. [laughs]
Brian: But there's three guitars playing those harmonics. There were
notes that I didn't know even made harmonics. It took me a long time
to figure out what was going on, and how to play it. It was a song,
for me, that I discovered things about the guitar I didn't know about.
And that's always amazing when you've been playing an instrument for
20 years, and you find a new sound it makes - it's cool, you know?
Scott: It reminds me of the apartment that Rivers had above the Sunset
Strip, with like, a yoga mat, a spoon, a bowl, a bar of soap, and a
towel-that's about all that was in there.
Rivers: I didn't have a bowl!
[laughter]
I didn't!
Scott: …and just sitting in there…and it was just, I don't know…
Brian: It's probably the most un-Weezer-like track that's ever been on
an album, whatever that means, and I think, you know, that that could
be good.
Rivers: I think, it didn't work until Pat put the drum-beat on there.
Cuz when I originally wrote it, and recorded the demo, it was some
weird, New Age drum beat that I found in the Casio.
Scott: Oh yeah, it was total, like, "In the Air"…
Rivers: "This song's kinda cool, but…"
Scott: It was like a Phil Collins beat!
Rivers: And then as soon as Pat put his beat on it, it sounded like Weezer.
Scott: Yeah, Pat's beat is correct on that song.
Brian: It was a good…it was fun song to track live as a band too. I
felt like something special happened while tracking it.
HAUNT YOU EVERY DAY
Rivers: Rick said, write a song like Billy Joel or Elton John, so…
Brian: But no pressure!
[laughter]
Rivers: So, I didn't really accomplish that at all, but I did write a
song on the piano. So that's about as close as I could come.
Brian: I think it's a beautiful chord progression. It's deceptively
simple too. It sounds a little more complex than it is, and it's great
fun to play live - I wish we would've tracked it more, and played it -
approached it more how we do now. But I think it came across pretty
well. But I think - any regrets, I wish we could re-record that song
how we do it right now.
Scott: It's another one of those songs where the less bass notes I
play on it, the better it works. I remember switching back and forth
from trying to do it on piano, or Rivers playing it on guitar, and
then going back and back and back, and it turned out to be just right.
Rivers: It's the first song I wrote entirely on piano.