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bardingtide April 30 2011, 19:05:48 UTC
You've made some good points but you've missed something rather vital. Something that /everybody/ seems to miss.

"He is a man who hates guns"

No. Ten hated guns.

TEN DID.

Nine was more than willing to blow the lone Dalek in Dalek to hell with a FRACKING hand cannon.

When the Doctor wiped out the Daleks at the end of the Time War - Genocide.

Six and Five both shot people and Three had no issues workiing with UNIT who are basically the Whoniverses Armed Response Team for Alien life.

Just because one incarnation of the Doctor had issues with guns doesn't mean they all do. Yes there are situations where Eleven doesn't like guns either (The episode with the Silurians springs to mind) but that's only because he believed there was a better solution.

Here there wasn't. He did what he had to do.

That's what the Doctor does. What ever it takes.

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rhiannon_s April 30 2011, 19:13:19 UTC
Didn't BakerT threaten someone with a gun at the end of Seeds Of Death? And One was prepared to bash a man's head in with a rock. Seven was prepared to use silver bullets against the big blue horned thing in Battlefield (but the Brig took his place). The doctor has always been a bit inconsistent on his views on death. Generally as long as he isn't the one directly doing it, it is fine though.

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bardingtide April 30 2011, 19:16:02 UTC
Exactly.

If there is another way - a way that will preserve life - the Doctor will take it.

But if it becomes neccessary he will kill.

It was only Ten who went all annyoing and pacifistic.

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rhiannon_s April 30 2011, 19:25:26 UTC
If you follow SF-Debris's theory that each incarnation is a reaction to the circumstances of the previous one's death, then 10 was so pacifist because of the ultimatum the Dalek Emperor handed to Nine (although that doesn't explain his willingness to drown the Racnoss babies though).

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danosan April 30 2011, 19:23:28 UTC
nothing says we're done with anything you mentioned there yet, btw

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jjpor April 30 2011, 19:32:40 UTC
But he wasn't suborning mass murder - he was making Earth and indeed any space inhabited by humans after 1969 - uninhabitable to the Silence. In a very direct and potentially violent way, admittedly, but in a way that wasn't inconsistent with some of his past actions. Seven blew up the Daleks' home planet, but did so in a way that manipulated them into doing it themselves. No different, really.

And the Doctor hates USING guns, but, you know, there were these people called UNIT... :)

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chewynutter April 30 2011, 19:37:06 UTC
Bear in mind that we never actually saw any human (other than River) killing a Silent.

There's a strong chance no human will ever kill a Silent because the Silence will take the threat seriously and leave Earth/the humans alone.

Like Danosan has also said, I think you're being a bit quick to start hating on things that haven't been wrapped up yet.

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doyle_sb4 April 30 2011, 20:30:54 UTC
That's exactly what I assumed happened; they got the hell back to their ships and left (considering they vanished from behind a locked door with Amy, they can apparently teleport).

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cat63 April 30 2011, 19:40:27 UTC
Someone pointed out elsewhere that if the Silence leave humans alone they're safe enough - it's only if they come into contact with humans (which appears to be something they do mainly to make the humans do stuff)that the subliminal conditioning will make the humans try to kill them. And the Silence aren't exactly defenceless either. Seems to me that the Doctor has only evened the scales a bit.

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