The excruciating torture-and-killing of Mason was one of the first markers of Damon’s S2 spiral - he was drunk and in shock when he killed Jeremy, and Rose and her death affected him the way they did because he was so very needy (even by his standards, PFFT) when she showed up.
Ooh, good thoughts. Yeah, the Damon-Mason business this ep was all class.
It’s not, exactly, a question of being incapable of remorse, because he has apologized for stuff several times. But an apology…centers on one thing?… In a way, what he says is a lot more difficult, because “I do a lot of things I don’t have to do” is an admission of a pattern, of a flaw in him, rather than one thing he did.
YESSSSSS ALL YOUR DAMON THOUGHTS FOREVER. I'm curious what you mean exactly by "externalising", though. I think I get what you're saying, but.
His issue from the past is Damon, who is still around and can, maybe, change. It’s so nice when the narrative is on board with your ship, right?
AHAHAHA YES.
Ultimately, Jeremy’s whole thing this season has been as a prop
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With the externalizing...just that he lashes out the way he does. Or he projects onto Mason. Or he devotes himself to a relationship, and deludes himself into thinking he knows what's going on for the other person there, and it doesn't much matter whether he's mostly right (Stefan, Elena) or wrong (Katherine). When he re-enacts relationships, he re-casts himself as the party with power (as opposed to the way Stefan takes on the disempowered role he knows). He SPEWS HIS CRAZY EVERYWHERE.
(as in, acknowledge that it's STEFAN, not some demon possessing his body)
I know Klaus isn't the most reliable source, but he's very clear that Stefan was making choices the whole time they were together. If nothing else, I do trust him to bring that up again as soon as it serves his purposes. I also think Stefan, throughout the earlier seasons, was very clear on his culpability with everything he'd done before. It might be okay.
I know Klaus isn't the most reliable source, but he's very clear that Stefan was making choices the whole time they were together.
Well, yeah, but then he compelled him to turn his switch off ergo Stefan's not culpable anymore? And even when Stefan asserts that he's culpable for his crimes, Elena/whoever is always responding that it's not really him and I don't trust that the show is trying to be subversive with those moments? Baha. I'm sorry. There are just too many mixed messages in this bar right now. We'll see.
There are just too many mixed messages in this bar right now. We'll see.
Oh, for sure. It's more that I don't think this interpretation is precluded by anything that's happened. It's as good as any other, and I like it the best, so. The author is dead stuffed into Klaus' portable morgue.
As much as I usually hate the r-word (POST-CATHOLICISM ISSUES, ASK ME HOW), I can’t help myself, I love Mason's story here.
Hahahaha, word. I feel like the r-word is superfluous here? Like, it makes for a nice dramatic statement - "I'm not here for revenge, I'm here for ~redemption!" But really, it's not about Mason at all. It's about Tyler, helping Tyler, giving him a chance, and Mason does that out of love for him. The redemption is incidental - I believe he'd still do it, even if God or whatever directly said to Mason, "Oh, hey, that's nice of you, but you are totes going to hell anyway."
But he doesn’t get haunted, because Isobel and Jenna are at peace, and he’s at peace with them.
Yeah, I get that, but I'm still like, "WTF every dead person in Mystic Falls is back and STILL NO JENNA??? WHYYYYYYYYY?"
Ultimately, Jeremy’s whole thing this season has been as a prop in Anna’s story, rather than the other way around, which is a neat inversion of the fridging.Oooh, I like that! I mean, Anna is also sort of a prop in the Jeremy/
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I'm kind of going with the idea that Stefan has two problems to be fixed - first, there's the bloodlust, which is an addiction that he can't control. Lexi sort of put him through a rapid-fire detox, against his will, which I am actually pretty okay with.
Agreed. Because if he's actually fucked up on something, then no, he really can't choose to be better. This is putting him in a position where he can make the choice. Well, aside from the whole "Klaus will come back and slaughter them all if he steps out of line," which they seem to have conveniently forgotten.
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Ooh, good thoughts. Yeah, the Damon-Mason business this ep was all class.
It’s not, exactly, a question of being incapable of remorse, because he has apologized for stuff several times. But an apology…centers on one thing?… In a way, what he says is a lot more difficult, because “I do a lot of things I don’t have to do” is an admission of a pattern, of a flaw in him, rather than one thing he did.
YESSSSSS ALL YOUR DAMON THOUGHTS FOREVER. I'm curious what you mean exactly by "externalising", though. I think I get what you're saying, but.
His issue from the past is Damon, who is still around and can, maybe, change. It’s so nice when the narrative is on board with your ship, right?
AHAHAHA YES.
Ultimately, Jeremy’s whole thing this season has been as a prop ( ... )
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(as in, acknowledge that it's STEFAN, not some demon possessing his body)
I know Klaus isn't the most reliable source, but he's very clear that Stefan was making choices the whole time they were together. If nothing else, I do trust him to bring that up again as soon as it serves his purposes. I also think Stefan, throughout the earlier seasons, was very clear on his culpability with everything he'd done before. It might be okay.
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Right, yes. *g*
I know Klaus isn't the most reliable source, but he's very clear that Stefan was making choices the whole time they were together.
Well, yeah, but then he compelled him to turn his switch off ergo Stefan's not culpable anymore? And even when Stefan asserts that he's culpable for his crimes, Elena/whoever is always responding that it's not really him and I don't trust that the show is trying to be subversive with those moments? Baha. I'm sorry. There are just too many mixed messages in this bar right now. We'll see.
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Oh, for sure. It's more that I don't think this interpretation is precluded by anything that's happened. It's as good as any other, and I like it the best, so. The author is dead stuffed into Klaus' portable morgue.
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Hahahaha, word. I feel like the r-word is superfluous here? Like, it makes for a nice dramatic statement - "I'm not here for revenge, I'm here for ~redemption!" But really, it's not about Mason at all. It's about Tyler, helping Tyler, giving him a chance, and Mason does that out of love for him. The redemption is incidental - I believe he'd still do it, even if God or whatever directly said to Mason, "Oh, hey, that's nice of you, but you are totes going to hell anyway."
But he doesn’t get haunted, because Isobel and Jenna are at peace, and he’s at peace with them.
Yeah, I get that, but I'm still like, "WTF every dead person in Mystic Falls is back and STILL NO JENNA??? WHYYYYYYYYY?"
Ultimately, Jeremy’s whole thing this season has been as a prop in Anna’s story, rather than the other way around, which is a neat inversion of the fridging.Oooh, I like that! I mean, Anna is also sort of a prop in the Jeremy/ ( ... )
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I'm kind of going with the idea that Stefan has two problems to be fixed - first, there's the bloodlust, which is an addiction that he can't control. Lexi sort of put him through a rapid-fire detox, against his will, which I am actually pretty okay with.
Agreed. Because if he's actually fucked up on something, then no, he really can't choose to be better. This is putting him in a position where he can make the choice. Well, aside from the whole "Klaus will come back and slaughter them all if he steps out of line," which they seem to have conveniently forgotten.
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Hee! I guess they're counting on Mikael to swoop in and save the day?
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