LOL, right? Collins is actually one of my favorite reviewers because he's openly antagonistic toward fandom bad faith. Like, it's more pleasant to read him criticize something that I like than hear fandom praise it. But I did disagree in this case.
But yeah, it's a solid weekend watch. I'm curious what you'll think about it.
(Hi, I'm a lurker who found you through 12_12_12, and I've really enjoyed reading your meta, especially about Dollhouse.)
I really like your point about Jessica Jones including non-super-powered types of abuse; I don't think that the show would have worked nearly as well without those story lines. Also, undeniable attention was paid to Kilgrave's "mundane" victims, the people who weren't the protagonist or within her immediate circle, and I loved that too.
The comparisons to Dollhouse also make me pretty happy, since Kilgrave is basically Nolan with super-powers (which simply means that his mind-control is innate instead of outsourced!). I re-watched 2.04, "Belonging," shortly after finishing JJ, and the two abusers use very similar self-justifications.
Hi there! Always nice to meet folks who appreciate my fave show.
undeniable attention was paid to Kilgrave's "mundane" victims, the people who weren't the protagonist or within her immediate circle, and I loved that too.
IA, and I think you're right that it helped the show a lot. It keeps the story from warping around Jessica and her experience - which IMO actually makes her story stronger and more effective as well, because the show pushes you to get perspective which isn't always available from a lone hero type.
Kilgrave is basically Nolan with super-powers (which simply means that his mind-control is innate instead of outsourced!)
(Hope it's OK to comment here so late - I finally watched the show and have been going through all the review posts I had banked.)
I'm not sure I see the similarities between Jessica Jones and Dollhouse. Dollhouse was a story about how abuse is inherent in the system, which ends up co-opting even those people who try to fight it. Specifically, it was an attempt to dismantle the Buffy-esque action girl type by recognizing it as yet another tool of the system it purported to fight. That's not something that superhero stories, with their emphasis on heroes and villains, are capable of addressing (well, Agents of SHIELD could have recognized that it existed in what was essentially a Dollhouse, but it ran from that realization as fast as its little legs could carry it). Jessica Jones strikes me as being very much within the Buffy-esque tradition, for all that it bucks against some of its components. In a Dollhouse-ish version of the story, Jessica would recognize that her enemies are the people who created Kilgrave (and Luke, and
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LOL, right? Collins is actually one of my favorite reviewers because he's openly antagonistic toward fandom bad faith. Like, it's more pleasant to read him criticize something that I like than hear fandom praise it. But I did disagree in this case.
But yeah, it's a solid weekend watch. I'm curious what you'll think about it.
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I really like your point about Jessica Jones including non-super-powered types of abuse; I don't think that the show would have worked nearly as well without those story lines. Also, undeniable attention was paid to Kilgrave's "mundane" victims, the people who weren't the protagonist or within her immediate circle, and I loved that too.
The comparisons to Dollhouse also make me pretty happy, since Kilgrave is basically Nolan with super-powers (which simply means that his mind-control is innate instead of outsourced!). I re-watched 2.04, "Belonging," shortly after finishing JJ, and the two abusers use very similar self-justifications.
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undeniable attention was paid to Kilgrave's "mundane" victims, the people who weren't the protagonist or within her immediate circle, and I loved that too.
IA, and I think you're right that it helped the show a lot. It keeps the story from warping around Jessica and her experience - which IMO actually makes her story stronger and more effective as well, because the show pushes you to get perspective which isn't always available from a lone hero type.
Kilgrave is basically Nolan with super-powers (which simply means that his mind-control is innate instead of outsourced!)
That is a perfect comparison.
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I'm not sure I see the similarities between Jessica Jones and Dollhouse. Dollhouse was a story about how abuse is inherent in the system, which ends up co-opting even those people who try to fight it. Specifically, it was an attempt to dismantle the Buffy-esque action girl type by recognizing it as yet another tool of the system it purported to fight. That's not something that superhero stories, with their emphasis on heroes and villains, are capable of addressing (well, Agents of SHIELD could have recognized that it existed in what was essentially a Dollhouse, but it ran from that realization as fast as its little legs could carry it). Jessica Jones strikes me as being very much within the Buffy-esque tradition, for all that it bucks against some of its components. In a Dollhouse-ish version of the story, Jessica would recognize that her enemies are the people who created Kilgrave (and Luke, and ( ... )
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