Further thoughts on fashion and historical influences on certain costumes in the prequels, PART 2

May 29, 2022 14:50

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Padmé’s off-white wedding dress http://www.rebelshaven.com/SWFFAQ/wedding.php and http://www.padawansguide.com/wedding_makingof.shtml from the end of AotC is obviously Edwardian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwardian_era#Fashion and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1900s_in_Western_fashion and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1910s_in_Western_fashion in look/feel, though the shape of the elbow-length sleeves on the overlay, like butterfly sleeves, is likely also influenced by 1930s Western fashions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1930%E2%80%931945_in_Western_fashion and its veil and the cap on the veil are clearly inspired by 1920s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920s_in_Western_fashion and1930s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1930%E2%80%931945_in_Western_fashion Western bridal fashions with probably some slightly more modern bridal style involved in the fit of the bodice and the shape of its neckline (which looks like a variant on a sweetheart neckline that combines a fairly wide and deep squared shape at the edges https://blog.treasurie.com/types-of-necklines/ and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neckline with a soft/very wide V-shape at the bottom, rather than the more curved shapes of a sweetheart https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neckline and https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sweetheart%20neckline and https://fashionterminologies.com/sweetheart-neckline/ It looks almost like a Queen Anne’s neckline/collar http://whimsybride.blogspot.com/2011/07/bridal-glossary-queen-anne-neckline.html - purportedly worn and popularized by Queen Anne of Great Britain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne,_Queen_of_Great_Britain - except that it doesn’t have the high collar/raised bit at the back, which makes it seem like a very modern cut, like the sort of thing that could be found on a wedding dress today). The loose/fluttery beaded and embroidered lacey oversleeves are very much inspired by Edwardian lacy/beaded overlays (the Titanic sank in 1912. About half of Kate Winslet’s costumes for the character of Rose DeWitt Bukater from the James Cameron film, Titanic http://www.costumersguide.com/cr_titanic.shtml have excellent examples of Edwardian lacy/beaded overlay. The first two seasons of Downton Abbey also have some very good examples of this https://cactuspopcom.wordpress.com/2016/05/13/evolving-fashion-downton-abbey/ and https://theenchantedmanor.com/downton-abbey-fashions-part-one/ and https://theenchantedmanor.com/downton-abbey-fashions-part-two/) while the similarly embroidered/beaded undersleeves that fit fairly close to the skin are evocative of slightly later, longer Edwardian sleeves that also fit close to the body (see Kate Winslet/Rose’s tea gown http://www.costumersguide.com/tea.shtml especially).

Early and more flowing Edwardian wedding dresses https://www.elle.com/fashion/personal-style/g31437529/bridal-style-evolution/?slide=7 and https://fidmmuseum.org/2012/08/wedding-gown-1910-1911.html and https://abigailsvintagebridal.co.uk/galleries/edwardian-1920s-wedding-dresses/nggallery/page/2 also definitely influenced Padmé’s wedding gown at least somewhat. Moreover, according to several different statements made by the costume designer for the prequels, Trisha Biggar (much of which is repeated in her Dressing a Galaxy: The Costumes of Star Wars on pages 187 and 189), a bedspread approximately a hundred years old found in an antiques shop in Australia (with very likely Italian lace, thought to have originally been made on one of the isalnds off of Venice around 1900) was used to make the costume. Since the vintae (approximately extremely late Victorian/early Edwardian) material was, unfortunately, limited to that bedspread, the lace was incorporated with eleven off-white silk net sections for the gown, using a mantual satin stitch to appliqué the available embroidered sections onto the silk tulle. Sanda Fullerton's embroidery team in Sydney reportedly created over 300 yeards of French-knit braid for Cornely scrollwork, to combine/join tand meld the various panels, and the finished dress was then studded with pearls. (There’s a floor-length underdress or strapless slip of light cream silk taffeta with a corset built in to it that laces up the back and a noticeable but fairly modest train at the back underneath both the silk tulle dress made from the appliquéd bedspread lace and added French-knit braid/Cornely scrollwork and additional pearls, with small straps holding the long undersleeves that fit fairly close to the body, and also the silk tulle overrobe/overlay with the approximately elbow-length, much looser, fluttery oversleeves - which, though fairly typical of the sleeves often found in Edwardian overlay, are also shaped much like the butterfly sleeves https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/butterfly_sleeve and http://chilestheatre.com/history-of-sleeves-1.pdf popular in the 1930s - made out of the same appliquéd bedspread lace with more added French-knit braid/Cornely scrollwork and additional pearls, so the entire gown is actually made up of three layers).

The veil iteself was made out of antique Maltese lace (of the same kind used for the gold lace veil that's sometimes worn with the headdress - clearly heavily influenced by the kind of Russian kokoshnik https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kokoshnik typical in the 19th century and popularized in European women’s fashion by Russian émigrés after the 1917 Russian Revolution - of Padmé’s AotC travel ensemble/refugee disguise http://www.rebelshaven.com/SWFFAQ/refugee.php and http://www.padawansguide.com/gold.shtml as a matron of the Thousand Moons system https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Thousand_Moons_system/Legends), decorated with genuine Edwardian wax flowers and beaded pearls (essentially forming the headdress or cap on the veil), and then more small pearls were sprinkled over the veil. The heavily beaded/pearled cap on her veil and the shape of the veil itself are both clearly inspired by the Juliet cap (named after the heroine of Shakespeare’s Romeo and Juliet, who is portrayed as sometimes wearing just such a cap) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juliet_cap that became fashionable in the 1910s and popular as wedding attire in the 1920s/1930s https://www.laceandfavour.com/veil-faqs/what-is-a-juliet-cap-veil/ and https://www.blairnadeau.com/blogs/memoirs-of-a-milliner/to-veil-or-not-to-veil-the-juliet-veil and https://chicvintagebrides.com/the-juliet-cap-veil-revival/ both without or with an accompanying veil. In keeping with the later, 1920s/1930s influences, the finished ensemble also looks very much as if it’s been inspired by the "suggestive of a medieval Italian gown" wedding gown  of Lady (and later Queen/Queen Mother of the United Kingdom and the Dominions of the British Commonwealth, as well as the last Empress of India under the British Raj) Elizabeth (née Bowes Lyon) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Elizabeth_The_Queen_Mother to Prince Albert, Duke of York (later King George VI) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_VI in 1923 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedding_of_Prince_Albert,_Duke_of_York,_and_Lady_Elizabeth_Bowes-Lyon and https://dianalegacy.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Queen-Mother-Elizabeth-Bowes-Lyon%E2%80%99s-engagement-ring-featured-a-sapphire-Image-GETTY.jpg and https://fromthebygone.wordpress.com/2014/04/03/the-royal-bridal-gown-of-queen-elizabeth-nee-bowes-lyon-1923/ as well as probably also at least loosely inspired by Elizabeth’s 1937 coronation gown https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronation_gown_of_Elizabeth_II and https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Queen_Elizabeth_Bowes_Lyon_in_Coronation_Robes_by_Sir_Gerald_Kelly.jpg and https://royal-needlework.org.uk/kensington-palace-exhibition-queen-mothers-coronation-gown/ given both the highly comparable shape of the gown and similarities between the placement of the embroidery on it and the way in which the lace from the antique bedspread has been appliquéd to Padmé’s gown. So more accurately, the gown seems largely inspired by various early 1900s fashions, specifically some bridal fashions (with a slightly more modern twist to the cut of the bodice), though the overall shape of it is largely Edwardian.

Speaking of multiple influences on a single costume, more than a few people - https://star-wars-fashion.tumblr.com/post/659346655019188224, https://milfcutlawquane.tumblr.com/post/659348111180906496/reminder-that-leias-buns-were-based-in-the, https://celebrate-the-clone-wars.tumblr.com/post/677632609878261760/philippine-and-hispanic-fashion-in-alderaanian, and etc. - have already pointed out on Tumblr that, in the prequels, Alderaan is coded as Hispanic and Filipino, since American actor Jimmy Smits https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Smits is of Puerto Rican descent on his mother’s side (and Dutch Surinamese on his father’s side) and Australian actress/singer/dancer Rebecca Jackson Mendoza https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Jackson_Mendoza is of Spanish-Filipino descent on her father’s side (and German Australian on her mother’s side). However, while Breha in single appearance in RotS http://www.padawansguide.com/brehaorgana.shtml and http://www.rebelshaven.com/SWFFAQ/breha.php is arguably wearing a variation on a traditional braided ribbon hairstyle seen in Mexico and both the upper, hugely puffed of the sleeves of her dress and the triangular hems of the skirt of the overlay on her dress do seem visibly influenced by Filipino designs, very similar to the traditional Maria Clara or Filipiniana https://www.tatlerasia.com/power-purpose/ideas-education/the-history-of-filipiniana and/or the baro’t saya or baro at saya https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baro%27t_saya popular during Spanish and early American colonization of the Philippines (which combines precolonial native Filipino and colonial Spanish clothing styles), her overall hairstyle with the draped filmy/translucent veil covering the back of her head and hair also closely resembles a traditional 16th/17th/18th/19th century Spanish mantilla, only with a braided crown that stands up somewhat from her head instead of a peineta to hold the mantilla in place https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantilla and the addition of a second (possibly somewhat more opaque), embroidered or brocaded blue scarf carefully folded to drape across the top of her head just behind her braided crown and down over her shoulders around to the same level as the shortest sections (over her hips/sides) of the bronzy-blue overlay on top of the skirt of her dress. Arguably, her (doubly) veiled hair with cloth/ribbon of some sort woven into it also borrows quite a lot from other, earlier Medieval/Renaissance styles (plus, the blue color of the two veils and her dress makes her resemble a Renaissance or a Neoclassical Madonna https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madonna_(art) and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary,_mother_of_Jesus, with the braided section of her hair - with the brighter, almost bronze colored fabric woven into it - seemingly standing in for a corona/halo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_(religious_iconography)).

In regards to her dress, the shape of the sleeves (though not the fact that they’re slit to reveal skin rather than some contrasting underlying second layer of fabric. The slitted sleeves themselves are much more Elizabethan/in the Spanish style https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1550%E2%80%931600_in_Western_European_fashion of the latter 1500s), the relative fullness of the skirt, and the fact that the contrasting, clearly patterned bronzy-blue overlay on her dress includes both the fitted bodice of the dress (minus the sleeves) as well as a portion over the floor-length skirt of the dress seems more reminiscent of several late Victorian fashions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victorian_fashion (the skirt of her gown seems especially Victorian, with the overlay acting much as a flounce/overlay on women’s Victorian gowns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1860s_in_Western_fashion and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1870s_in_Western_fashion and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1880s_in_Western_fashion). Moreover, there is a portrait https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/Elisabeth_de_Valois%2C_Anthonis_Mor.jpg and https://useum.org/artwork/Portrait-of-Elizabeth-de-Valois-Queen-of-Spain-Antonis-Mor-1568 of Élisabeth of France/Isabel de Valois - Queen of Spain as the third spouse of Philip II of Spain - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elisabeth_of_Valois by Antonis Mor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonis_Mor that quite clearly also heavily influences the horizontally rather than vertically split sleeves of Breha’s “palace gown,” the overall shape of which unmistakably corresponds to the English leg of mutton sleeve or the French gigot https://www.anothermag.com/fashion-beauty/8295/a-brief-history-of-the-leg-of-mutton-sleeve and https://www.geriwalton.com/gigot-or-leg-of-mutton-sleeves-of-the-1800s/ and https://fashionhistory.fitnyc.edu/leg-of-mutton-sleeves/ most popular in European fashion, both men’s and women’s, first in the 1500s (hence, their prevalence in Elizabethan clothing/the Spanish styles of the latter half of the 1500s), and then in Victorian women’s fashion in the 1820s and 1830s (i.e., fairly early Victorian) and again from the 1890s through the early aughts of the following century (i.e., late Victorian).

Additionally, the veiled/mantled hair and the cloth braided into her hair is still arguably very Medieval https://rosaliegilbert.com/veilsandwimples.html (notice the mention of Italian women who “abandoned veils considerably earlier than other parts of Europe and England in favor of elaborate braids and beading which might also utilize a strip of gauzy veil around the ear,” which sounds rather like Breha’s hairstyle) and http://postej-stew.dk/2016/12/female-headgear-in-the-1300s/ (note the braids) and https://clothingthepast.wordpress.com/2014/11/09/14th-century-italian-hair-styles/ and also https://fashion-era.com/hats-hair/hair3-1485-1600-womens-hair-calthrop.htm (there is something very early- to mid-1500s European/English [or essentially Late Medieval/Middle Ages turning into the Renaissance] about the overall shape formed by the veil over the back of Breha’s head/hear, the high braided coronet - which is easily high enough to mimic the general shape of a later [~1540s-1560s] rounded Tudor headdress https://tudorsdynasty.com/tudor-womens-hair-headpieces/ - and even the second scarf over her ears/shoulders, which is positioned much like padding for a headdress but extends/drapes more like an enriched, elaborate version of a headdress veil) and https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/44603 (and, again, she’s somewhat reminiscent of the last monarch of the Kingdom of Cyprus and Queen of Jerusalem and Armenia, Catherine Cornaro, who lived from 1454-1510, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catherine_Cornaro specifically Titian’s 1542 portrait of Caterina Cornaro as Saint Catherine of Alexandria https://www.christies.com/en/lot/lot-6133233 and https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Caterina_Cornaro_after_Titian_%2819th_c.%2C_Sotheby%27s%29.jpg especially in regards to her veiled hair/back of her head, with the braided section of Breha’s hair fairly literally standing in for the crown in the portrait). So really, the best that can be said is that Breha’s “palace gown” is a mashup of Medieval/Renaissance styles with Elizabethan elements/in the Spanish style of the latter half of the 1500s (particularly in regards to the shape of the sleeves and the fact that they’re slit) with certain qualities found in Victorian fashions, coupled with a variation on a Spanish mantilla https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mantilla and a hairstyle that doubles as a very Renaissance-style painted/sculpted halo/corona https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halo_(religious_iconography) that might also be informed by Mexican braided ribbon hairstyles, plus some elements in the overall design of the gown that arguably could also be influenced by Filipino designs, including the traditional Maria Clara or Filipiniana https://www.tatlerasia.com/power-purpose/ideas-education/the-history-of-filipiniana and/or the baro’t saya or baro at saya https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baro%27t_saya (hence also the rather Spanish feel to the whole thing).

Unfortunately, there’s nothing particularly Hispanic or Filipino in the costume designs for other characters from Alderaan/Delaya in the prequels. Bail’s senatorial aide in RotS, Sheltay Retrac, is in a design originally meant for Padmé http://www.padawansguide.com/sheltay.shtml and http://www.rebelshaven.com/SWFFAQ/sheltay.php that looks like a less elaborate/less formal (and, though it has several layers, somehow still stripped down) version of Mon Mothma’s two gowns http://www.padawansguide.com/monmothma.shtml and in overall shape seems vaguely Edwardian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1900s_in_Western_fashion (the high waist and fairly narrow skirt is reminiscent of Paul Poiret’s designs, plus the attached cloth draping down from the center of the bodice - sort of like the lower half of a scapular - and the cloak together feel rather like a fancy overlay) and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1910s_in_Western_fashion (the layers and overall construction, plus the regular design/texture to the cloth, all feel inspired by Art Deco https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Deco and the cape makes it feel like a traveling costume from the 1910s) and perhaps also somewhat loosely inspired by a more modern take on a traditional Vietnamese áo dài https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81o_d%C3%A0i with a skirt instead of pants, but it’s pretty obviously heavily modified, if it is, since the dress is all one piece (except for maybe the cloak, which might or might not be detachable. It’s difficult to tell from images alone) and, while more formal áo dài can be worn with a sort of cloak that acts like a train (or made with extra panel that wears rather like a train and can apparently be removed from the rest of the áo dài) https://royalhandmaidens.tumblr.com/post/680567105484177408/haysianrose-kelly-marie-tran-wore-a-custom-%C3%A1o-d%C3%A0i and https://vietcetera.com/en/phoenix-rising-from-the-ash-the-story-behind-kelly-marie-trans-ao-dai-ensemble in most cases apparently https://globalstorybook.org/ao-dai-pride-vietnamese-culture/ and https://vietnam.travel/things-to-do/ao-dai-vietnam and http://aodaifestival.com/history/ they are not.

Corla Metonae https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Corla_Metonae/Legends and https://starwars.fandom.com/nl/wiki/Corla_Metonae in RotS is in a clearly military-inspired uniform, which seems to have padded shoulders that resemble epaulets/pauldrons and slightly dropped shoulders that create a sense of an extended vertical silhouette around the shoulders (familiar from other - often Nabooian - costumes and clearly inspired by Baroque European fashions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1650%E2%80%931700_in_Western_European_fashion), but otherwise her uniform’s silhouette is very like what Raymus Antilles https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Raymus_Antilles/Legends and Bail Organa http://www.padawansguide.com/bailorgana.shtml in the very first reference image [Raymus and Bail http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/starwars3-movie-screencaps.com-10192.jpg are also both in some of the reference images/screenshots for Sheltay Retrac here http://www.padawansguide.com/sheltay.shtml and http://www.rebelshaven.com/SWFFAQ/sheltay.php] are both wearing in RotS on the Tantive III, though without the diagonally cut, cloak-like poncho (which is extremely reminiscent of a Roman paenula or casula https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paenula although the way it’s cut, to leave one arm essentially uncovered, is also evocative of the Greek abolla https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolla which would be fastened to leave an arm free. It’s entirely possible that, off the ship, her uniform might include one of these, though, since, with Raymus, we have a few promotional images of him wearing it https://starwarz.com/tbone/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/812.jpg and https://starwarsautographnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/CA-wm-696x871.jpg but there’s also at least one without https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/d/d7/Antilles-SWE.png/revision/latest?cb=20211211190755 and, on the ship, https://pm1.narvii.com/6482/22a42dcdd6946b9e43073e324a601c223449ca1e_hq.jpg and https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/428fd7b9e9dd2334ac7b0c123b9441b9?width=1024 he doesn’t seem to ever wear it) or the metal vambraces - both slightly darker in color and plainer on Raymus, who only seems to have one https://starwarz.com/tbone/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/812.jpg on his left arm, compared to Bail, who has a matching set https://makingstarwars.tumblr.com/image/58495015356 of lighter metal vambraces that seem both to have buttons and to be etched with some kind of design - and with a slightly longer, untucked shirt/tunic, since she has no belt for a sidearm.

Raymus’ shirt is shaped a little differently than the one that Corla wears and that Bail wears - apparently, his has a lighter stripe down the outside of the sleeves that clearly isn’t present on Corla’s and doesn’t seem to be present on Bail, and his shirt is also evidently layered (possibly for padding or protection, if the fabric is supposed to be blast-resistant, like some fabrics in the GFFA canonically are) with an odd second piece over the front and the back of the garment that looks like an extremely cut-down poncho (or like a Kevlar or bulletproof vest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulletproof_vest minus the straps to adjust the fit and secure it around the body), with rounded edges that have another one of those lighter - or perhaps simply more reflective so that they look lighter/like a slightly different color? - stripes running in a loop close to the bottom edge of all of the garment, which sits on top of the long-sleeved shirt beneath (the edge curves outwards enough to give the shoulders a sense of having been extended, as with Corla’s slightly dropped shoulders and several other costumes inspired by Baroque European fashions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1650%E2%80%931700_in_Western_European_fashion). The odd poncho/vest-like piece seems to have the actual upright mandarin collar, though it’s difficult to tell entirely for sure. The piece seems anchored at the top somehow (by fasteners hidden by the layers of fabric, probably), but the sides/bottom are definitely loose https://content.api.news/v3/images/bin/428fd7b9e9dd2334ac7b0c123b9441b9?width=1024 and https://www.starwars-holonet.com/holonet/images/5/5b/13409/perso_antilles_raymus_02.jpg and https://pm1.narvii.com/6482/22a42dcdd6946b9e43073e324a601c223449ca1e_hq.jpg since the bottom is overlapping his belt (which clearly has a sidearm, on his right side), where the rest of the shirt has visibly has been tucked into his trousers - but the upright collars on the tunics/shirts for all three of these costumes still seem more inspired by the mandarin collars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandarin_collar on Nehru suits and/or Nehru jackets https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehru_jacket only the “jacket” in this case appears to be a seamless shirt/tunic instead of buttoned up the front. It makes their basic uniforms feel very mid/late-1900s (they are very Mod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod_(subculture) and feel quite minimalist, for all that they are clearly also meant to evoke military uniforms. There is something weirdly fitting in the fact that the basic Alderaanian uniforms - Alderaan being widely recognized as peaceful, known for its emphasis on the arts and for its lack of weapons - are somehow reminiscent of the Beatles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beatles and, thus, evocative of 1960s counterculture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counterculture_of_the_1960s).

Bail Organa has a couple of variations on what’s essentially the same uniform as what Raymus Antilles wears in RotS (if slightly fancier, in regards to his vambraces, and seemingly without the second, poncho/vest-like layer. In lieu of a lighter stripe down the outside of his sleeves, Bail has the Crest of Alderaan https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Crest_of_Alderaan/Legends and the symbol of House Organa below his shoulder on the left sleeve and possibly also on the right sleeve, if that diagonally cut, cloak-like poncho [which is reminiscent of a Roman paenula or casula https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paenula although the way it’s cut, to leave one arm essentially uncovered, is also evocative of the Greek abolla https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolla] weren’t in the way. He’s also clearly sporting a sidearm on his right with this particular outfit, much like Raymus). Besides the one that looks very much like a slightly fancier version of what Raymus Antilles is wearing https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hero-and-villains/images/f/f4/Bail_Organa.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200122165246 and https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0121766/mediaviewer/rm3271932672 and https://makingstarwars.tumblr.com/image/58495015356 there are also two very similar outfits that he wears in RotS in the two different scenes with Padmé, Mon Mothma, and other concerned Senators from the Loyalist Committee, discussing Palpatine and the war and the future of democracy (leading up to the creation of the Delegation of 2,000 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Delegation_of_2000 and then the Petition of 2,000 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Petition_of_2000). In the meeting in Padmé’s apartments  (where Padmé’s wearing the purple-belted green velvet http://www.rebelshaven.com/SWFFAQ/greenrobe.php and http://www.padawansguide.com/green.shtml gown clearly based on a Medieval houppelande https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houppelande), Bail is wearing an outfit that looks very like what he’s wearing in the scenes on the Tantive III http://www.rebelshaven.com/SWFFAQ/images/green/greenscreen18.jpg minus the sidearm, the metal vambraces, and the diagonally cut, cloak-like long poncho mentioned above. His trousers and tunic match and the long-sleeved, belted tunic clearly has an upright mandarin collar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandarin_collar like on Nehru suits/jackets https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehru_jacket and no apparent fastening seams rather than being buttoned up the front and the same slightly dropped shoulders that lead to the familiar look of an extended vertical line at the shoulders.

In the other scene in RotS (which actually takes place in Bail’s office) with Padmé, Mon Mothma, and other concerned Senators (discussing Palpatine and the war and the future of democracy) https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c7/4f/05/c74f059cabb1d68ddcff143f445543fe.jpg and http://www.scififantasynetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Mon-Mothma-Bail-Organa-Padme-episode-3.jpg (the meeting where Padmé is wearing the purple/burgundy velvet gown http://www.rebelshaven.com/SWFFAQ/revelation.php and http://www.padawansguide.com/revelation.shtml and Bail can be seen clearly in several of the stills and behind the scenes photos), Bail is wearing what appears to be a version of the same sort of matching trousers (tucked into the customary tall black boots) and a tucked in (so also belted, but also without a sidearm) long-sleeved shirt with an upright mandarin collar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandarin_collar like on Nehru suits/jackets https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehru_jacket and no apparent fastening seams rather than being buttoned up the front. Over that, he is wearing an open/unfastened (if also belted at the waist), sleeveless, kaftan-like (more specifically likely inspired by Medieval Rus kaftans, even though some kinds of Turkic kaftans are more likely to be sleeveless over another garment with long sleeves, since Turkic kaftans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaftan#Turkic_kaftan generally involve fuller sleeves while Medieval Rus kaftans involve sleeves that fit fairly tight to the body https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaftan#Russian_(North_Asia_and_Eastern_Europe) and what Bail is wearing shows sleeves under it that are fairly fitted to his body), heavier - possibly leather? - slightly darker colored (either very dark slate/blue-grey or else an indigo so dark it’s almost but not quite black, given that his tall boots, which are clearly black, don’t quite match the overrobe, which looks fairly close to matching the wide, smooth, probably leather belt. Colors are difficult to be entirely sure of with several of the Alderaanian costumes - and, to be fair, also at least a few of Padmé’s costumes that are in the lavender/blue/green/grey color range - since sometimes things will appear either blue and blue-grey that apparently are instead green-blue in real life or else they’ll seem grey in one setting while looking very bluish in another. I tend to go more with appearance on film and presume that the uniforms and all of the rest of Bail’s costumes are all in shades of blue, or else dull medium-dark blue to slate blue/bluish-grey and/or lighter, blue-tinged greys), slightly textured overrobe that seems to be cut around the neck to carefully fit around the upright tall mandarin collar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandarin_collar rather like on Nehru suits/jackets https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehru_jacket that’s on the long-sleeved shirt beneath it, and which has the same kind of slightly extended shoulders on Corla Metonae’s uniform shirt (the tendency for a sort of long vertical line with horizontal emphasis at the shoulder, such as with Corla’s uniform and the other similar uniforms and clothing choices of other characters, Alderaanian, Nabooian, and otherwise, is no doubt informed by Baroque Western European fashions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1650%E2%80%931700_in_Western_European_fashion).

In the “Costume Index” towards the back of Dressing a Galaxy: The Costumes of Star Wars, by Trisha Biggar (the lady largely responsible for designing the costumes in the prequels), there’s a thumbnail image of what looks like either this outfit or else another one very nearly identical to it with the labels “Chancellor’s Office” and “RotS” (there’s also a larger/clearer image of what might be the same costume of page 107, but it only shows Bail from just below the waist up, so it’s hard to say if it’s the exact same costume as in the thumbnail in the “Costume Index”). The sleeveless overrobe is definitely textured (and not black. It looks like a very dark/dull indigo to me) seems to reach to at least his knees on the sides and has a shaped, sort of softly triangular hem, so that the center front and presumably also the center back are visibly lower/longer. It might be a different costume or it might simply be paired with a different pair of trousers from what Bail is actually wearing on film: the thumbnail image in the book appears to show much wider and much darker (clearly black, so full that they are more like an otherwise unseen layer of underrobe) trousers than the ones that are visible in images from the meeting with the Senators (also, they are clearly not tucked into his boots and the trousers in the images from the meeting clearly are https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c7/4f/05/c74f059cabb1d68ddcff143f445543fe.jpg and http://www.scififantasynetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Mon-Mothma-Bail-Organa-Padme-episode-3.jpg). The triangular hem is different from what’s visible of most of the other costumes for characters from Alderaan/Delaya, but it’s very like the modification on the back of the shawl collar on Bail’s shearling greatcoat in RotS https://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/starwars3-movie-screencaps.com-2837.jpg and https://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/3.jpg (in the scene where Palpatine has been returned safely after his “kidnapping” by the Separatists and Bail speaks briefly with Anakin https://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/starwars3-movie-screencaps.com-2869.jpg directly before the reunion scene between Anakin and Padmé).

The shape of the overrobe looks/feels very Victorian, like it’s deliberately echoing the wide/extended, triangular/pointed yokes sometimes found on Victorian women’s gowns (rather like the yoke on Queen Jamillia’s gown http://www.padawansguide.com/jamillia.shtml and http://www.rebelshaven.com/SWFFAQ/jamillia.php in AotC, though the overall shape is a little softer/more rounded. The overlay/yokes on the throne room gown Queen Amidala wears at the beginning of TPM http://www.rebelshaven.com/SWFFAQ/throneroom.php and http://www.padawansguide.com/red_invasion.shtml is also shaped like this, especially when viewed from the back) and/or the pointed/triangular hems on the overlays/flounces sometimes found on Victorian women’s gowns (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1830s_in_Western_fashion and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1840s_in_Western_fashion and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1860s_in_Western_fashion and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1870s_in_Western_fashion and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1880s_in_Western_fashion). (Interestingly, Ruwee Naberrie’s costume for Padmé’s funeral includes a tunic that has an overlay http://www.rebelshaven.com/SWFFAQ/naberrie2.php and https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/f/f4/Ruwee_Naberrie_Canon.png/revision/latest?cb=20140911022339 that is shaped almost exactly like this, though, in his case, the overlay is made of shaped, apparently separate panels).

Bail is also wearing something that looks very similar to what he’s wearing on the Tantive III when he attempts to investigate the Jedi Temple burning during Operation: Knightfall and the execution of Order 66 and narrowly avoids being shot (and only because of the intervention of a Jedi Padawan, Zett Jukassa https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Zett_Jukassa/Legends who essentially sacrifices himself so Bail can escape), only even more clearly militaristic. http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/starwars3-movie-screencaps.com-9936.jpg and http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/starwars3-movie-screencaps.com-9957.jpg and http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/1.png with the usual tall black boots over matching trousers and a shirt with a mandarin collar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandarin_collar like on Nehru suits/jackets https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehru_jacket but this time Bail is wearing dark leather gloves (not quite black. Either extremely dark grey or a very dark, very flat brown) and what seems to be a dark leather cuirass https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuirass or full breastplate long enough to be belted at the waist (with a sidearm clearly visibly on his right side and what looks like a pocket of some sort attached to the left side of the belt) and evidently made of some kind of dark (not quite black. Either very dark grey or an extremely dark flat brown) leather that’s lined (as is visible at the slightly extended shoulder. There is an apparent promotional shot http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/1.png where this fabric looks like a murky sort of green, not quite an olive drab, but on screen it simply looks very dark grey) with seemingly the same material of the trousers and shirt (hinting that both are made out of some kind of blast-repellant fabric, and that the apparent “leather” of the cuirass/breastplate might also be some kind of thick, blast-repellant hide. It looks ornate and old-fashioned but in ’verse is probably fairly effective, if likely not at point-blank range with multiple blasters of the types used by the clones). The armor looks vaguely Greco-Romanesque (though the way it’s put together around the top is a little odd), but otherwise his outfit remains a sort of oddly Mod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod_(subculture) take on a military-influenced uniform.

Of the other five named citizens of Alderaan/Delaya in the prequels, Senator Bail Antilles https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Bail_Antilles/Legends and https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/star-wars-canon/images/c/c0/BailAgrippa_TPM.png/revision/latest?cb=20181012194143 and http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/liana-merian_tpm05.png in TPM is wearing what looks like a fancier/more elaborate white version of the same sort of military-inspired uniform based on a Nehru jacket or Nehru suit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nehru_jacket with a prominent upright mandarin collar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandarin_collar and, in this case, what appears to be no buttons (there is what looks like a plain/nonmetallic golden shirt or tunic underneath the white Nehru jacket as he leans over to speak with his aide, Agrippa Aldrete) but instead regularly spaced fancy golden appliqués/braid on either side of its open front that look like frog closures https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frog_(fastening) and https://fashionhistory.fitnyc.edu/frogging/ only without the actual buttons and loops to close the garment (presumably, he’s also wearing matching white or nonmetallic golden trousers, though they’re probably white, given that his costume clearly means to evoke military uniforms and the jackets/tunics and pants of those generally match with dressier uniforms. The frogs make his upper half, at least, seem very 17th-19th century, quite Husarentressen). He is also wearing what looks like a variation (in that it seems a lot narrower, more like a very long stole https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shawl#Stole though it might just be folded more extensively than is obvious) on a Greco-Roman pallium https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pallium_(Roman_cloak) though, oddly enough, it’s gathered up and anchored/attached at his shoulders quite clearly with some kind of gold jewelry, the way an ancient Roman woman’s palla https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palla_(garment) would be fastened at the shoulders or elsewhere by brooches). Meanwhile, his aid in TPM, Agrippa Aldrete https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Agrippa_Aldrete/Legends and http://www.senate.rebellegion.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/liana-merian_tpm05.png and https://preview.redd.it/bxg9jwdky3151.jpg?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=2eec9c1157750e679bf35fd879d18956beaeced7 is in a possibly slightly off-white (probably ivory or an extremely pale antique white), plainer version of the same costume, only his Nehru jacket is somehow sealed and has fancy silver or silver and gold embroidery on the very high collar and running from there all the way down the center of his chest to the bottom of the jacket, one band to either side of the center seam (there also appear to be gold brooches or clips of some sort to either side of the center of his collar, which might or might not be intended to seem to hold the collar shut) and he has no fancy drapery (whether it’s a stole or a modified palla or pallium) and so no jewelry on his shoulders, either.

CONTINUED OVER HERE https://polgarawolf.livejournal.com/266273.html AND OVER HERE https://polgarawolf.livejournal.com/266583.html BECAUSE OF THE LJ'S IDIOTIC CHARACTER LIMITS!!!

Again, sorry about the font apparently randomly changing types whenever it feels like it: I genuinely have no idea why it's doing it (I am copying and pasting from a Word document that has the same font in the same size throughout its entirety) and I don't know how to fix it, short of trying to retype the entire document here and I just don't have the time to do that.

. . . another galaxy another time . . ., a long time ago in a galaxy far far away

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