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Jul 20, 2012 23:57


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kadaria July 21 2012, 11:30:42 UTC
You'd think with all the paperwork a psych. Check would be included.
And I can agree with this sentiment. I live in a state that is really tough on guns but I still feel like I spent more time getting my driving lisence than my Ltc. Meanwhile for the first time in 6 or 7 years I'm finally on insurance that actually covers mental health care specifically.

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lilenth July 21 2012, 11:55:40 UTC
Except psych checks would do fuck all to affect such violence.

A mentally ill person is no more likely to shoot someone than any other person is. The true vector for violence is alcohol.

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joshthevegan July 21 2012, 14:17:36 UTC
The true vector for violence is alcohol.

Oh shut up.

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lilenth July 21 2012, 14:55:07 UTC
Why? Scared of the truth?

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joshthevegan July 21 2012, 15:06:13 UTC
No, because it's bullshit.

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spamwarrior July 21 2012, 15:31:17 UTC
Because you say so?

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joshthevegan July 21 2012, 17:06:36 UTC
To blame violence on alcohol (and not, say, violent people) is misguided. Also, the dichotomy between "mental disorders don't lead to violence" and "alcohol abuse leads to violence" conveniently ignores the fact that alcohol abuse is a mental disorder.

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spamwarrior July 22 2012, 00:37:35 UTC
Touche.

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lilenth July 27 2012, 01:20:29 UTC
Oh how darling, personal attacks. Go you, way to prove who is unreasonable.

Oh and sweetie, just because a bullying community who victim blame decide to be fucking gross doesn't mean they're right.

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lilenth July 21 2012, 16:00:02 UTC
Then prove it. I can prove my assertion, can you prove yours ( ... )

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joshthevegan July 21 2012, 17:02:55 UTC
So alcoholism is not a mental disorder? Or just not one that fits under your definition of mental disorders?

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lilenth July 21 2012, 17:32:59 UTC
It isn't a mental illness, it's a physical addiction. Also you can abuse alcohol and drugs without being addicted, it's not a case of take a drink and get magically addicted. Many of the people who get black out drunk aren't addicts, they're binge drinkers but not addicts.

Face it, if you could prove your assertions, you would have by now. So unless you'd like to submit some actual verifiable facts? No? Then you might want to stop opening your mouth on subjects you know fuck all about.

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joshthevegan July 21 2012, 18:26:31 UTC
It is widely accepted that if you drink to the point of blacking out, that is alcoholism. That's just the facts.

My point here is that you are claiming that mental disorders have nothing to do with violence (never mind your demonizing of antisocial personality disorder elsewhere - so mental disorders have nothing to do with bad behavior unless it's a mental disorder you don't like?) and alcohol is the only thing that can lead to violence. Which is not true.

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lilenth July 21 2012, 18:37:24 UTC
Nope, there's a difference between alcoholism and binge drinking. Many alcoholics do not drink until black out. Many young people drink until blackout but are not deemed alcoholics because their drinking is not out of control, negatively impacting the rest of their lives and most importantly they're not addicted to the stuff ( ... )

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joshthevegan July 21 2012, 18:45:05 UTC
I am fully aware that there is a difference between alcoholism and binge drinking (but thanks for talking down to me! You're so good at that!) but drinking to the point of blacking out is alcoholism, pure and simple. Whether or not it cripples you for the rest of your life, it is a symptom of the mental disorder alcoholism. Drinking to get drunk might be an example of a behavior that an alcoholic might do that "normal" people might also, but drinking to the point of blacking out is drastically different.

But the point here is that alcoholism (all of the ways it manifests) is a mental disorder.

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