I voted. I caucused. I wondered aloud, while waiting for both, if my chances of picking up a woman were better if I stood in the Clinton or the Obama line
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If you would, please piont out three things Hillary has a record of changing. Any three items.
I mean aside from changing her health care plan to guarantee payments to already bloated insurance providers in exchange for a moratorium on their political money train against universal healthcare.
1. As First Lady of Arkansas, she was wholly responsible for the turnaround in Arkansas' education system---increasing standards, improving teacher training, advocating for poor children, etc.
2. As First Lady, she created and oversaw passage of a bill that is hailed by adoption advocates across the country, which much more quickly moves kids from foster care into adoption programs.
3. She was CRITICAL in designing S-CHIP, which is almost universally loved, except by Bush (of course).
4. She was the author and sponsor of a bill that actually GAVE health care and financial support to veterans of both the Gulf Wars.
5. Renewal Communities, a program with which I'm pretty familiar in my job and which works to create jobs in underserved communities, is Hillary's idea and work.
For about 30 years, she has been a tireless advocate for women, children, the poor, and veterans. Period.
Sounds like a pretty good record. I still hope Obama is on top of the ticket. Even Hillary has said that it's pretty much assured they'll share a ticket, and the vote at this point is for who's on top.
For me Obama's message and (for the most part) tactic are less divisive and political in nature. He seems to stand for a more open system that encourages participattion by and informs the general public.
I still get the feeling Hillary likes to work in back door discussions, behind the scene "Deals" and political bartering of power and favors.
Either way I think they both have, at heart, the best interests of the country and it's citizens in mind. I just think I like his tactics better.
And one more thingministersinMarch 5 2008, 21:14:56 UTC
"She needs no on-the-job training. "
They've both only been Senators. I'm sure he's been in the White House. Being married to a president no more makes you qualified to be one than being married to a surgeon makes you qualified to operate.
Re: And one more thingpoltergasmMarch 6 2008, 18:22:04 UTC
I disagree. Being in the White House for eight years, and not as some Jackie Kennedy, freshen-up-the-flowers type First Lady, gives you some insight. Not just some, but a lot. Hillary was an active ambassador and champion of the rights of women and children. You think spending eight years in close proximity to Bill and his team doesn't help her a bit? Pshhhhh.
What's Obama's big claim to fame? A "community organizer"? What the fuck IS that anyway? I know some people who could call themselves "community organizers" and NONE of them are qualified to be President of the United States.
He was a lawyer? Awesome!!! So was she. (And she was a better one than he was, too, apparently.)
He's been in the sentate two years? Awesome, she's been in the Senate for eight.
She has him beat on experience, hands down. No question.
Re: And one more thingministersinMarch 7 2008, 03:28:19 UTC
A community organizer is exactly the kind of president we need, in my opinion. A lawyer gets their deals done in adminstrative hearings. A community organizer brings people together to accomplish a common goal through an informed and active copmmunity collective (which is what our gov't is supposed to be about).
Yep, she has one more term as a senator. Not much of an accomplishment there.
Yep, both attorneys. But she on the other hand is an attorney accused of multiple felonies for her bsuiness actions as a lawyer and investor.
I'm pretty sure that makes him the better attorney. At least better at not getting caught ;)
I think we'd be in for a repeat of her husband's administration. Some gains made early on, especially overturning some odious executive order and some good initial economic fixes, but then picking the wrong fight that only agitated the conservative base (Don't Ask, Don't Tell), and the Hillary-led health care debacle, and then the Contract On With America in '94, gridlock, Kenneth Starr, impeachment trial, and a Dem candidate who didn't want to be seen that much with the President on the campaign trail. Those were good times. I can see how that would be preferable to a candidate who's already proven he can collaborate with Republicans on legislation.
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I mean aside from changing her health care plan to guarantee payments to already bloated insurance providers in exchange for a moratorium on their political money train against universal healthcare.
And her mind on the war.
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1. As First Lady of Arkansas, she was wholly responsible for the turnaround in Arkansas' education system---increasing standards, improving teacher training, advocating for poor children, etc.
2. As First Lady, she created and oversaw passage of a bill that is hailed by adoption advocates across the country, which much more quickly moves kids from foster care into adoption programs.
3. She was CRITICAL in designing S-CHIP, which is almost universally loved, except by Bush (of course).
4. She was the author and sponsor of a bill that actually GAVE health care and financial support to veterans of both the Gulf Wars.
5. Renewal Communities, a program with which I'm pretty familiar in my job and which works to create jobs in underserved communities, is Hillary's idea and work.
For about 30 years, she has been a tireless advocate for women, children, the poor, and veterans. Period.
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For me Obama's message and (for the most part) tactic are less divisive and political in nature. He seems to stand for a more open system that encourages participattion by and informs the general public.
I still get the feeling Hillary likes to work in back door discussions, behind the scene "Deals" and political bartering of power and favors.
Either way I think they both have, at heart, the best interests of the country and it's citizens in mind. I just think I like his tactics better.
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They've both only been Senators. I'm sure he's been in the White House. Being married to a president no more makes you qualified to be one than being married to a surgeon makes you qualified to operate.
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What's Obama's big claim to fame? A "community organizer"? What the fuck IS that anyway? I know some people who could call themselves "community organizers" and NONE of them are qualified to be President of the United States.
He was a lawyer? Awesome!!! So was she. (And she was a better one than he was, too, apparently.)
He's been in the sentate two years? Awesome, she's been in the Senate for eight.
She has him beat on experience, hands down. No question.
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Yep, she has one more term as a senator. Not much of an accomplishment there.
Yep, both attorneys. But she on the other hand is an attorney accused of multiple felonies for her bsuiness actions as a lawyer and investor.
I'm pretty sure that makes him the better attorney. At least better at not getting caught ;)
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