andrew you can choose to not support a war even if it doesn't offend any of your personal "political ideologies." there are moral ideologies at stake too. while i agree with you that someone who is not well informed on an issue will never be convincing in a political debate, a large part of decision-making is going with your gut on some very basic issues. to a lot of people not fortunate enough to have the time or inclanation your or i do to follow politics, it is very, very easy to say "i do not approve of carnage, i do not approve of imperialism, i do not approve of this war."
first of all, yes i am making a huge generalization, which can be dangerous, but i think the essence of what i am saying is true.
My point applies to both parties, and i think its happened on both sides of the situation. Many of both liberals and conservatives have preemtively supported their respective cause without fully understanding the consequences of their opinions. which i think is dangerous.
I do agree with you that to ask why is essence of a responsible citizen, however i think it is equally important to take the next step and educate yourself on exactly what you are questioning and why you should question it. I feel that many people do the first but chose to shirk their responsibilties on the second.
please don't read into any sort of biases that i may express in this post, because i honestly don't mean to express them. i am not trying to rally support for my personal opinions, nor condemn liberalism. I am simply critiquing what i think is the current state of politics.
Dude, sometimes you need that blind rebellion (or attempt at it). And this administration is one fo thoes times. Largely because it doesn't try to accomidate everyone, it just does what the right wants. Whether you or anyone else likes it or not, we need both the right and the left and the extreme right and the extreme left. They need to keep each other in ballance (even though I would like it much more if there were most lefts, becuase then my views would be there more, but that's a seperate issue). It's good that Hollywood and many much of the media is against the war, because it keeps reminding the administration that they should be more in the middle than to teh right (like they are
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Re: agreementmasturbassistDecember 6 2003, 06:22:08 UTC
No, it's more of a "there there." I wrote a long post explainign it, but somehow lost it. So I'll sum it up as this. Here sucks. There is good. We need to bring change. But it will suck when no further change is needed. Here is my utopia because there is still stuff to change and things to fight. There too will be my utopia. But when we get to where no change is needed, my utopia has ended. So, out utopia is where we make it. Mine is where ever I am. (don't question my logic. It made a little more sense in the origional post, but that was lost, and I son't feel writing all of it again).
Damn it, Andrew Grossman. Sometimes I think you say these things just to get me all riled up, and then I have to bite my tongue (or sit on my typing hands, as the case may be). However, I happen to agree with you. I watched that part, and actually that was when I got disgusted and turned the TV off. While I agree in principle with the others who say you cannot know why the audience was cheering, I do happen to think that a lot of people didn't understand why they were cheering. A lot of people do it because its fashionable, there's no question. Same reason lots of people who've never smoked a joint in their life are for legalization and people who've never been down South vilify them for their use of the Confederate flag. I am not taking a stand on these issues (right here, anyway), I merely say that you cannot really know something without trying to experience it
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Cuz you always give me this feeling of "shut up, I don't want your opinion, you stupid $@%*ing liberal!" I always wonder if you want me to shut up or what...
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My point applies to both parties, and i think its happened on both sides of the situation. Many of both liberals and conservatives have preemtively supported their respective cause without fully understanding the consequences of their opinions. which i think is dangerous.
I do agree with you that to ask why is essence of a responsible citizen, however i think it is equally important to take the next step and educate yourself on exactly what you are questioning and why you should question it. I feel that many people do the first but chose to shirk their responsibilties on the second.
please don't read into any sort of biases that i may express in this post, because i honestly don't mean to express them. i am not trying to rally support for my personal opinions, nor condemn liberalism. I am simply critiquing what i think is the current state of politics.
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also, i don't find cheering for a cause one believes in to be an "abuse" of the freedom of speech.
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However, I happen to agree with you. I watched that part, and actually that was when I got disgusted and turned the TV off. While I agree in principle with the others who say you cannot know why the audience was cheering, I do happen to think that a lot of people didn't understand why they were cheering. A lot of people do it because its fashionable, there's no question. Same reason lots of people who've never smoked a joint in their life are for legalization and people who've never been down South vilify them for their use of the Confederate flag. I am not taking a stand on these issues (right here, anyway), I merely say that you cannot really know something without trying to experience it ( ... )
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