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May 01, 2008 01:19

It is Paulville, the gated community containing 100% Ron Paul supporters!* (From james_nicoll's LJ ( Read more... )

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heron61 April 30 2008, 23:22:15 UTC
*Didn't some rather unsavory people support Ron Paul's candicacy?

Most definitely. He's the favored candidate of several "white power" groups. I can guarantee that part of the reason that Paulville is to be gated is to keep out people of color.

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pompe May 1 2008, 04:44:42 UTC
We have a few of those here too. Young elitist males, often from rather affluent backgrounds, out to do some provocative politics and look down on the rest of the people as some sort of lesser species while thinking dodging speeding ticket payments represents some sort of bold political statement.

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mindstalk May 1 2008, 00:24:06 UTC
A metropolis has lots of regulations, whether pointless due to graft and ideology or necessary due to living too close together. Makes sense to me to want to start over from scratch. "This time, we'll do it right!" Plus this strand of libertarian probably likes having lots of land -- I noted each share coming with a full acre. At that point it's a lifestyle preference incompatible with big cities and totally independent of libertarianism.

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derekl1963 May 1 2008, 03:04:00 UTC
Only in suburbia is an acre considered a 'lot of land'.

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mindstalk May 1 2008, 03:28:34 UTC
Um, no. Cities as well. Suburban lot might be 1/4 acre. In Chicago, 1/14 acre (25 feet by 125 feet) is the standard lot. Some houses get more than that, but many don't, and "more than that" is likely to be 1.5 or 2 times bigger unless there's a lot of money.

authority: I grew up there, sold a house last year, and just double-checked online.

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pompe May 1 2008, 04:05:33 UTC
1/14 acre? That'd be a rather small lot in Stockholm, like the tiny houses the workers built in select zones in the 1930's. I did a quick sweep of summer houses and regular houses for the capital on one of the big sites and I didn't see any lot that small, most were between 0.6 and 1 acre but some of the tinier ones in attractive areas (lakefront and so on) were down towards 0.2.

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madwriter May 1 2008, 02:20:25 UTC
>>Don't we move to the cities from little towns in order to become more free from the shackles of tradition and family, to pursue our own lives?<<

I'm not interested in gated communities, but I moved out of a densely populated area and back to a small town to regain my emotional freedom. In my case, it was the Northern Virginia / D.C. Metro area, which has its own shackles of affluence and "upward mobility" mixed with a slavish devotion to the government (or rather, government contracts). Not to mention the suburban cliques and "neighborhood covenants" that tell you what you can and can't do with your own house and property, beyond the extremes of zoning requirements. (As in, your door is the wrong shade of red.)

I wanted open air, mountains, and the chance to own land someday, and the area I moved to is one where people are expected to mind their own business.

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pompe May 1 2008, 03:37:36 UTC
My indirect experience with small towns, which admittedly mainly is related to me by friends who have moved from small places to the capital, is the exact opposite. Everyone knows what everyone does, everyone gossips about everyone, as soon as someone buys a new car or neglect their dog half the community will know about it, and people are expected to keep the family going by taking over the local business and eventually probably the house too. It doesn't feel like an emotionally very free environment at all.

I'm not a suburbian, of course. I haven't grown up or lived in places with separate houses and lawns (and I have no desire at all to live in that kind of suburbia, I'd much rather lived out in the real countryside), I'm a child of the city apartments, a stone city with streets and stores and subways stations. But in the houses I've lived people mind their own business.

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skapusniak May 1 2008, 10:30:54 UTC
I lived 5 years or so in the Shetland Isles. Total population about 20,000 ( ... )

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madwriter May 1 2008, 15:27:46 UTC
>>back in '82 that means certain people are out to destroy certain other people in petty small ways *to this day*<<

That's not just small town, though. One side of my grandmother's family in Burlington, Iowa will still have little or nothing to do with my side of the family because of a family dispute...that happened in the 1890's.

We have no idea what this dispute was, except that most of them were merchants of one sort of the other and apparently had competing stores. The last member of our side of the family who was involved in whatever went down was my great-great-grandfather, who died in the 1930's, but that doesn't seem to matter.

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pompe May 4 2008, 16:38:30 UTC
In the end, revolutions are never about freedom. They are about bread.

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