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sonadora9 February 18 2009, 04:48:58 UTC
A step in the right direction .... I just don't understand how they can acknowledge that the beginning of a human life is considered conception yet stand by the idea that this won't violate any "abortion rights." If you acknowledge that a fetus is a human being, isn't any support for abortion rights sort of like condoned murder as long as you do it early?

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lavendersparkle February 18 2009, 12:43:28 UTC
Lots of countries have laws which make it legal to kill some types of human beings in some circumstances. Most countries allow killing in self defence. Some countries have the death penalty. Some countries allow voluntary euthanasia. Some countries allow involuntary euthanasia.

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pantsu February 18 2009, 05:31:33 UTC
"Minot Rep. Kari Conrad says the bill isn't necessary. She says the Legislature shouldn't get into trying to define when life begins."

Isn't that what abortion lobbyists have been doing for years?
I think pro-choicers often think that when people say life begins at conception that we're talking about wittle babies or something, but it really makes sense if you can put yourself in that mindset. A lack of open-mindedness makes this hard.
It's not like we're saying days-old zygotes can live on their own. But human offspring is just that - human. So I'm glad the ND House is making this heard.

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mamasboo February 18 2009, 17:01:39 UTC
Toddlers can't live on their own, either. And by the time a woman finds out she's pregnant, "it" isn't even a zygote anymore. Human life begins at conception, otherwise a woman wouldn't even be considered pregnant. I feel people are just being utterly idiotic to not acknowledge what is so obvious and scientifically proven.

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run2light February 18 2009, 05:58:01 UTC
that's good to hear because it is what it is; not a blob of nothing.
why has it took so long?!?! anyways, it's a step for the better.

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weirdmisty February 18 2009, 06:03:20 UTC
I'm so glad to hear that they're working to provide full information to women seeking abortions. After reading countless stories of women who hate themselves for murdering a child without knowing what they're doing, it's a tremendous relief to know that there are folks who care enough to tell them. This is a good first step, and hopefully far from the last.

On another note, I can't help but notice how often it's North Dakota that leads the way in preventative measures regarding abortion.

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wildcherrywine February 20 2009, 06:14:32 UTC
So it's not just me who noticed that! (:

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lavendersparkle February 18 2009, 12:49:34 UTC
The way it's phrased is a bit odd. It seems a bit like a parliament passing a law stating that the Earth is round. Why would you need such a law, that's just scientific fact. It's a sad state of affairs when you have to pass a law specifically stating that a person has to actually told what a procedure does before they have it done to them. Surely this should already be covered by informed consent.

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