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kittycat22 October 3 2011, 18:20:54 UTC
I like to think that is the direction he's going right now- toward people existing, having feelings & actions, etc OUTSIDE of The Doctor- people realizing that the Doctor cannot be their sole reason for existing- that, to me, was very much a large bit of Amy's character growth over the past year- she's no longer the girl who is waiting, but the girl who does for herself.

Urgh, you're so right about that marriage thing. I think I fall prey to the companion outlook of the Doctor sometimes- I simply trust he has a good and valid and strong reason for doing things and I go along with it. I didn't question the marriage at all, but looking at it- it makes no sense. I hope they explore it more next series, but on the surface it served no real purpose at all.

EW OBEY. No gracias.

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kittycat22 October 3 2011, 19:02:52 UTC
Also: http://www.tomandlorenzo.com/2011/10/t-los-watching-doctor-who-terra-nova-homeland.html

TLo's synopsis of it seems to really go hand-in-hand with what you're observing here.

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qkellie October 3 2011, 19:13:51 UTC
I totally concur with all of their remarks except I do think the Doctor loves her. Not as much as he should, given what they're doing, but he does.

I'm glad Amy's grown a lot. I agree with your remarks. :)

ETA: I like the word "remarks" today. :P

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kenobi October 3 2011, 18:54:06 UTC
Well, also consider this, the River in TMORS is the River fresh from graduating and spent her life researching the Doctor. I don't know if she has had additional adventures with the doctor since then but IMO at this point in time she is more like a Teenager than anything else. So, I think at this point I'm willing to fanwave all her teenage crazies cause she is still so young even though she doesn't look it. River in TMORS reminds me of Rose. Not the adult River that I love the heck out of. She's still baking at this point. I think eventually she breaks out of the hero worship and becomes the woman we see in the Library. So yeah, imagine her the 14 year old sitting in her room looking at the new kids on block poster going IM GOING TO MARRY ONE OF YOU ONE DAY ( ... )

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qkellie October 3 2011, 19:17:16 UTC
Good points that she's essentially a teenager, although presumably Mels grew up all her life with Amy and Rory, and at that endpoint she's in her early 20s, but that's still somewhat starry-eyed about relationships, I agree.

Moffat's writing of women is a touch and go. He did give us Sally Sparrow (whose original story was meant to play out more like Amys) so we'll see, but I do agree.

Moffat's women in Coupling were interesting, too. Susan was almost never an embarrassment to the entire gender, but some of the guys' comments on there about women (not really Jeff, because Jeff is ridiculous) were what was sometimes worse. The character of Steve (so clearly Moffat's stand-in) was frequently reasonable but often a ridiculously uninformed buffoon. And Susan took him down a peg or two because of it. We don't really have a Susan on Doctor Who, and I'd hoped it would be River. :/

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hjcallipygian October 3 2011, 19:32:22 UTC
So does that mean that River got Doctored?

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qkellie October 3 2011, 19:46:59 UTC
*groan*

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sache October 3 2011, 22:32:43 UTC
River has been bothering me IMMENSELY since "Let's Kill Hitler ( ... )

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qkellie October 4 2011, 00:43:27 UTC

Agree 100%. I think Whedon needs to take Moffat to "how not to be a dick" school.

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qkellie October 4 2011, 12:40:05 UTC
Ha! Nice.

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adaptor October 4 2011, 19:47:26 UTC
My main fault with this is you could tell it really should've been two episodes. The first should've been explaining to us and Winston Chuchill the time stoppage (and all its nifty implications) while fighting the Silence (who really had more of drive by in that bit) and ending on the arrival of Eyepatch!Amy.

The only scene that didn't feel compressed into too short a time was the Amy/babynapper bit. Everything else... This is the first time I've been tempted to label a Moffet piece apocraphyl.

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qkellie October 4 2011, 20:13:35 UTC
Oo, you're right! Making this a two-parter might very well have fixed some of the rushed, too-fast and almost too-angry tone of the episode.

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