robbing graves

[qualapec]

I think I have such a strong reaction because whenever I see those things, I look at what I love to write, what seems most interestnig and honest to me, and I look at what a lot of these people seem to want, and it feels like they're saying that stories like the ones I love shouldn't exist, that my stories don't have value because I'm angry,

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Blood Cries For Blood. But More Blood Is Just More Bloo

[redbrunja]

I feel EXACTLY this way about revenge narratives. (And the benefit of revenge narratives is that it is a genre of it's own, so revenge stories exist but) I get so frustrated when, in the course of general fiction, characters (and the show itself) is like, REVENGE IS ALWAYS WRONG. IT IS NEVER JUSTICE. And I'm like, "I dunno, that character you are arguing deserves to live killed a whole bunch of people and hurt that woman that I love (because it is always a woman i love getting hurt) and is likely to hurt more people I KIND OF THINK KILLING HIM WOULD REALLY MAKE HER FEEL BETTER AND ALSO BE JUSTICE."

look at what a lot of these people seem to want, and it feels like they're saying that stories like the ones I love shouldn't exist, that my stories don't have value because I'm angry,I think this happens a lot. Like the only characters worth telling stories about are the ones who do things for THE RIGHT REASONS

RE: Blood Cries For Blood. But More Blood Is Just More Bloo

[qualapec]

Revenge narratives are a really good example.

I think this happens a lot. Like the only characters worth telling stories about are the ones who do things for THE RIGHT REASONS.

Totally, and I think this is one of the downsides of superhero fiction. Because of the Comics Code and Christianity, people tend to be VERY much about stories where good people triumph and bad people are punished.

And it's tricky, because I'm not totally opposed to good triumphing. What I do have a problem with is the idea that those characters' roles aren't liquid. The "skip church one day and you're fucked" mentality doesn't work for me, but a lot of people are pushing it right now on my tumblr dash and it makes me so irrationally angry I can't engage nicely.

Also (and I'm speculating a bit, based on previous conversations) I bet a lot of the problems people have with the narratives that you like is that it gets all tied up in 'i'm really sick of grimdark stories about dudes?' I think there's a lot of overlap. I like antiheroes a lot, or villains, or at

again, fucking shield

[redbrunja]

Totally, and I think this is one of the downsides of superhero fiction. Because of the Comics Code and Christianity, people tend to be VERY much about stories where good people triumph and bad people are punished.

And it's tricky, because I'm not totally opposed to good triumphing. What I do have a problem with is the idea that those characters' roles aren't liquid. The "skip church one day and you're fucked" mentality doesn't work for me, but a lot of people are pushing it right now on my tumblr dash and it makes me so irrationally angry I can't engage nicely.

This is actually one (of the) horrible, fatal flaws of SHIELD as a tv show. It's so invested in presenting SHIELD-the-organization as The Good Guys that it is asking the audience to willingly ignore shady things the main characters do AND warping antagonist character into caricatures of EVIL PEOPLE to justify why "our heroes" are good and the audience should be rooting for them.

so what I really have a hard time with is conflating "healthy" with "inherent goodness"agreed,