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[quickone86]

The final chapter of racism has finally ended. Proposal 2 got passed and race and gender are no longer impotent. I don't understand why someone would want preferential treatment, to get a job or into a school just because the color of your skin is ridiculous. Yes, inner-city people are disadvantaged but not black people. White, black, Mexican

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[quietclamor]

Not saying I agree or disagree, but I once heard someone say that we'll know racism has finally ended when we have 53 black presidents in a row. Or 53 Hispanic/Asian/Native American presidents in a row. I say make them all women, too, and then we'll be able to say that racism and sexism have ended.

[quickone86]

You have to remember that women, blacks and other minorities have only grained equal statious in the last 30 years or so. We are the 1st generation that has never seen open discrimination. When we take power I think we will see many more women and minorities take positions of power.

[showthyme]

Well, all politicians lie to win people over, so...can't really give any particular one too much crap.

Racism will be present whether we enforce Affirmative Action or do away with it. Minorities are not at a disadvantage because they are minorities, but a lot of them are for whatever reason. There are so many racist ass holes in this world today that, without affirmative action, women and minorities would be given the crap shoot for no good reason.

Affirmative Action is not a great solution, but it's the only one our government's been able to come up with so far and it's better than nothing. In a more perfect world, all aspects of ones life would be considered before giving them a job or a scholarship or any kind of boost, but the color of their skin is pretty much all we're going by right now. After all the bullshit minorities have been through in the past, and how fortunate we all are, is it really the end of the world?

Sure, it may seem like reverse discrimination, but what good would eliminating Affirmative Action really do?

[quickone86]

It will allow people to compete for jobs and education on a level playing field.

It isn't the color of ones skin or where their family is from that puts minorities at a disadvantage it is the environment that they are subjected to. If all inner-city people recieved an avantage I would have no problem with that. Their lives are harder and the educational system is crap. A minority who grew up in Rochester or Novi has no relation to those that are from Flint and Detroit but they recieve the same avantage when they have lived a privelaged lifestyle.

Now that Affirmative Action is gone a new system can be put into place, AA is a relic of the 60's and 70's.

[showthyme]

No... it wont. The playing field will NEVER be leveled, either way. Sure, no one will get any advantages, but there will still be plenty of people at a disadvantage. Do you think doing away with it completely is actually going to make things fair? It might shut up the white males who have never had anything taken away from them and don't want to see other people getting special treatment, but it's doing more good than harm.

Keeping AA would help people who deserve and some who don't, but taking it away would help no one.

Racism is the relic that needs to be done away with, not affirmative action.

It's interesting that you're arguing against people getting opportunities based on skin color, when talented student athletes are offered full rides over asthmatic straight-A students.

Just a thought. The two run pretty parallel.

[quickone86]

lol yeah, that does seem like it would be hypocritical. Student athletes work for what they get though it isn't something that is given at birth. It takes a lot of hard work to be good enough to play at a college level. Just like the straight A student. The scholarship isn't just given it is worked for. If you look at training time verses monetary benefit it comes out to about $10 an hour, about the same any college kid would make.

There will ALWAYS be some people that are disadvantaged in some way. But deciding who is at a disadvantage only based on their sex or skin color is wrong it is way to general. The people who are truly disadvantaged deserve the help, a new system should be developed that does this.

unions

[anonymous]

What do you have against unions? The formation of unions was one of the biggest steps in improving work conditions and securing jobs for the working class.

Before unions, companies could pay employees how ever little they wanted, make them work as long as they wanted, and fire employees on a whim.

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[psychorunner]

Opps, that was me. Stupid LJ logged me out at the last second.

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[quickone86]

80 years ago. Now there are minimum wages, restrictions on working time, safety restrictions for the work environment and mass media. Unions helped establish a lot of this but now that we have these limitations unions are often used abusively. "If you don't pay us more we wont work", that is holding a company hostage. A lot of union people are over paid for their skills and education level, which translates to higher prices for everyone else who buys the good that they sell.

My dad's construction company has been ruined by carpentry unions. He made a better product cheaper than the union but they harassed and picketed the job so much the contractor terminated the contract and gave it to the union.

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[ktsoc2er]

Dude, Rob, come on now, since when do you have deep conversions? What ever happened to: "who can burp the loudest?" or "I'm faster then you..." All I have to say is that I'm black and I'm sick of the whities bring me down. gosh!

[kariann916]

I completely agree with you on this...but you already know that :)

I hate the idea that because I'm a female and in engineering, I might get a job that someone else is more qualified for simply because of my gender. I want to earn what I get.

[anonymous]

I agree AA is a relic of the 60's/70's and love the fact that Proposal 2 passed but I don't agree with you on one point- minorities do have a disadvantage. Their disadvantage, unfortunately is due to their own culture. When education becomes as important to minorites as it is for whites, we will see things change. It's also about morals and integrity for self. If you want proof, ask 20 minotiry kids and 20 white kids what they want to be when they grow up, and you will have your answer, and based on that you can see quality of parenting. It's like watching a depressed person blame their depression on someone with high self esteem to get free medication, when the root of the problem is their own.
I laugh too when media shows the disparities in what the average person makes in the U.S. divided by race but doesn't correlate that with education levels. Pretty sure that might have something to do with it..

P.S. based on this single blog you are now republican!!