We are not torturing because more people voted for Obama than McCain, and unlike Al Qaeda1 this guy _is_ an American Citizen (even if barely human) and thus is due our justice system.
If this guy had pulled this during the Bush Administration, I give it a 50/50 that he would have been waterboarded.
However, this whole argument of yours is pointless. You voted for Obama specifically so this would not happen. To make this argument, you would have to concede that there was a terrorist threat. In short, this post is intellectually dishonest.
1 Which, as un-uniformed combatants who claim no nation, have been given far more rights at Gitmo than they would have if any other nation had them. Un-uniformed combatants under the Geneva Conventions are spies and thus can be summarily executed without trial in the field by the commanding officer. Odd how MSNBC never mentions that...
You make assumptions. I have never said there was not a terrorist threat. So no, this post is not intellectually dishonest... nor if you look, originally written by me.
This sort of argument is not a request for torture by any means. It is pointing out the hypocrisy in the system. Technically this man under the various anti-terrorism laws could be declared a subversive element and no longer be accorded our justice system.
I would also like to note he's being charged with murder and assault and not being a terrorist as he should be.
And I won't bother responding to your little subscript besides this: Our next episode could be called "Who's Being Intellectually Dishonest Now?" or "Ever Hear About the Two American Journalist's Just Sentenced in to a Decade of Hard Labor in North Korea?"
I'm sorry, but after reading you do nothing but complain about Bush for the last 8 years, one was led to believe that you lived in the same LaLa Land that they did where there was no terrorist threat, and it was all a cultural misunderstanding. And irregardless of the fact that you were not the original author, you brought it into your journal for discussion, thus implying that you agreed in part with it.
This sort of argument is not a request for torture by any means. It is pointing out the hypocrisy in the system. Technically this man under the various anti-terrorism laws could be declared a subversive element and no longer be accorded our justice system.
Which would be fine except for...
I would also like to note he's being charged with murder and assault and not being a terrorist as he should be.
... the fact that he is a US Citizen and being treated as such, rather than an un-uniformed military combantant.
Oh, and;
"Ever Hear About the Two American Journalist's Just Sentenced in to a Decade of Hard Labor in North Korea?"
( ... )
It does not matter if he is a United States citizen. There have been United States citizens who have been imprisoned in Gitmo under these laws as well. On top of that, he fits the description of un-uniformed combatant just as well as many foreign terrorists.
When I mentioned the two journalists, I was commenting on you mentioning on how they are still treated better here than they are elsewhere. I'm rather sure that if you took a survey of the longer residents of Gitmo, they'd much prefer hard labor to Gitmo.
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We are not torturing because more people voted for Obama than McCain, and unlike Al Qaeda1 this guy _is_ an American Citizen (even if barely human) and thus is due our justice system.
If this guy had pulled this during the Bush Administration, I give it a 50/50 that he would have been waterboarded.
However, this whole argument of yours is pointless. You voted for Obama specifically so this would not happen. To make this argument, you would have to concede that there was a terrorist threat. In short, this post is intellectually dishonest.
1 Which, as un-uniformed combatants who claim no nation, have been given far more rights at Gitmo than they would have if any other nation had them. Un-uniformed combatants under the Geneva Conventions are spies and thus can be summarily executed without trial in the field by the commanding officer. Odd how MSNBC never mentions that...
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This sort of argument is not a request for torture by any means. It is pointing out the hypocrisy in the system. Technically this man under the various anti-terrorism laws could be declared a subversive element and no longer be accorded our justice system.
I would also like to note he's being charged with murder and assault and not being a terrorist as he should be.
And I won't bother responding to your little subscript besides this: Our next episode could be called "Who's Being Intellectually Dishonest Now?" or "Ever Hear About the Two American Journalist's Just Sentenced in to a Decade of Hard Labor in North Korea?"
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This sort of argument is not a request for torture by any means. It is pointing out the hypocrisy in the system. Technically this man under the various anti-terrorism laws could be declared a subversive element and no longer be accorded our justice system.
Which would be fine except for...
I would also like to note he's being charged with murder and assault and not being a terrorist as he should be.
... the fact that he is a US Citizen and being treated as such, rather than an un-uniformed military combantant.
Oh, and;
"Ever Hear About the Two American Journalist's Just Sentenced in to a Decade of Hard Labor in North Korea?"
( ... )
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When I mentioned the two journalists, I was commenting on you mentioning on how they are still treated better here than they are elsewhere. I'm rather sure that if you took a survey of the longer residents of Gitmo, they'd much prefer hard labor to Gitmo.
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