robin hood 3x10 redux; or, yes, it works (maybe even the bow), part 1

[railise]

When I saw so many reactions to "Bad Blood" saying that such a close previous history between Robin and the Gisbornes didn't fit, I was surprised, because I thought it fit very well. But my memory's not always that great, so I've spent the last few days going back and re-watching some key episodes. And after that, I still think that a lot of it

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[rochvelleth]

Wow, this is brilliant! Thank you so much for posting in so much detail about all of this, it was a great read. You think just like I do, wanting to figure out all the backstory to understand everything :)

"'Sir' Guy of Gisborne," Robin repeats, bowing with the same lightly mocking manner in which he said "Sir." More seriously, he continues, "My name is Robin, Earl of Huntington and lord of this manor."

It sure sounds like a first meeting. But I don't think that's necessarily the case.

Could maybe be that he's surprised to find Guy is now a knight? And he need not necessarily have recognised him from their youth, despite knowing him?

The conversation between Robin and Guy at Locksley Manor [17:35] wasn't strange without a backstory, but it does seem to have undertones now. The only thing that strikes me as not entirely fitting is Guy's level of civility toward Robin. At this point, though, Robin is still socially above Guy, and Guy is very conscious of that sort of thing. Also, even when they were kids, Guy just took whatever

[railise]

Thanks!! :) I usually overthink things, so at least fangirling gives me a good outlet for that, lol.

Could maybe be that he's surprised to find Guy is now a knight? And he need not necessarily have recognised him from their youth, despite knowing him?

That's very possible, and would still work, since Robin could easily be teasing Guy for his newfound status, which is still lower than Robin's. I think Guy would be more likely to recognize Robin, being that he was older and would remember things and people better; although maybe he wasn't sure because the Robin he remembered had brown eyes, heh. ;)

It's almost as if he has some inclination to be polite and nice to people. And the Sheriff does often berate him for not being harsh enough with people, so maybe that's a character trait?It surely could be that. Another thought is that it's the same aspect of his personality that let Vaizey walk all over him. Or-- it could also be that he is so conscious of social stature; that's something that was commented on about the character from

[emmithar]

I had always considered that Guy and Robin knew each other to some extent, but never in the way the show portrayed them. To me, when Dan tells him that Guy of Gisborne is running the estate, Robin seems apprehensive because the lands were left with someone who necessarily shouldn't have been running them

[railise]

To me, when Dan tells him that Guy of Gisborne is running the estate, Robin seems apprehensive because the lands were left with someone who necessarily shouldn't have been running them.

That's an interesting take on it, and definitely a possibility (which is all any of this is :) ).

From the first episode I assumed that Guy had been around since Robin's childhood, wandering around and never really fitting in.

Was there something that led you to assume this? I was never under that impression, and I'm curious what made you think o it.

Having him leave and then return I believe would have prompted Robin to question Dan on when Gisborne returned. It would make more sense for Guy to have been around and gained favor with Vaysey, then it would for him to have shown up out of the blue while Robin was gone and be granted with the lands to take care of. To me, Guy seems to confident in his position in 1x01 to have been gone in France for those years.Robin asks Guy, himself, at Locksley Manor, and Guy answers that he'd been there for "

[emmithar]

From the first episode I assumed that Guy had been around since Robin's childhood, wandering around and never really fitting in.

Was there something that led you to assume this? I was never under that impression, and I'm curious what made you think o it.

Just perception to me. Guy seems comfortable and knows the village(s) well, but that could have easily come from his being there for the years of watching over Locksley Village. I just took it in consideration with him telling Marian that people laughed at his father, that these were the people that laughed at him, and I merely took it as the fact that Guy wasn't well respected prior to this.

I would love more of a back story for Vaysey and how Guy became his right-hand man. We come right in the middle of that 'relationship' so it is interesting. Esp more so to see how Vaysey become Sheriff and about his sister and all that fun stuff.

Well, I'm not claiming that everything syncs perfectly; just laying out an argument that it could be seen to workLol, I understand that part as

[railise]

That's what the neatest thing is about expressions and tones, simply that they can be taken so many different ways. Which is why I'm pointing out how I saw/took it to be.

Oh, absolutely!! It's funny, too, because when I first watched each episode, I didn't read much into anything, just taking it at face value-- which is all that much of it was meant to be, I'm sure. :) It's been very interesting to see how everyone interprets all of this.

It could be a prelude that Marian knows they both share a similar loss, but at the same time one could argue that Robin would be more willing to accept it if they had a closer history as the writers suggest.

Or-- it could be that he's unwilling to accept it because of their deep-rooted antagonism. I'd forgotten that line; do you remember which episode that was in? I can't... :P

wouldn't it have been less expensive and easier to just stay in England than to go back to France and then sell his sister?I'd certainly think so, especially since he sold her to an Englishman! That could support the

[railise]

If he did recognize Guy, I have a (feint hope) that his initial response would be, "WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU YOU POOR POOR ORPHAN BOY OMG I'M SOO. SORRY." but he's just like, "I hate you."

Well, to be fair, Guy was the one who started the fire, and Robin's gone his whole life thinking his father died in it, too (making him an orphan, as well). So, the "I hate you" would make far more sense than, "There, there; come and have a huggle." ;) Actually-- that kind of excuses Robin's not bringing the Giz Kids back and giving them the land, now that I think on it.

I don't think Marian was a competition so much as Guy trying to take every aspect of Robin's life (as least, at first).