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Jan 12, 2009 20:07

In all actuality, I still don't know what this means. It should be clear as day shouldn't it ( Read more... )

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saintbryan January 14 2009, 21:50:18 UTC
I don't know what translation you are using. I looked this verse up here:

http://bible.cc/john/10-38.htm

They generally all say,
"37.If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38. But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him."

Works, not miracles, and he is not specifically talking about sins being forgiven. It reminds me of Matthew 7:15-16 "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits."
I think it is saying that when one truly does the works of their God, those works speak entirely for themselves.

But you are talking about sin, and the freedom which comes from the forgiveness of those sins... which He gave to us in the first place, speaking of the Works of the Father. Why do you suppose that might be?

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rainer_rilke January 15 2009, 01:58:27 UTC
So what you are saying is, I might be saying this in order to provide excuse for my own sin, while appearing righteous?

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rainer_rilke January 15 2009, 04:11:52 UTC
If so, good point. It is important to be discerning about what people say, especially when they are talking about scripture.

The scripture that you quote here would especially apply to me and this post, and any other post that I write, as writing its self is the work and fruit of the attitude that spawned it, and if it doesn't sit right with you, there is probably a good reason for that.

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saintbryan January 15 2009, 19:12:03 UTC
I can't say a thing about your sins. My conception of sin comes from the Book of the Law ( ... )

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