No, that's actually not justification for a warden breaking into an inmate's room for a little bit of vigilante investigation. Your needs don't supercede Mozenrath's, and even by your own description, it sounds like Mozenrath was provoked, since Nygma should have backed off and enlisted the aid of other wardens. And I say this as somebody who likes Nygma.
We're entitled a modicum of privacy; that's why we have our own personal cabins, rather than cells that receive regular checks. We have our own wardens; we're not beholden to any other one, and you won't find many inmates who'll agree to subject themselves to the whims of every person with a W beside their name.
I know this, which is why I actually don't think that Mozenrath reacted inappropriately by refusing to let Edward into his cabin, or by responding with force when Edward tried to force the door. It was a completely understandable reaction, and from his perception, Edwards behavior was completely inappropriate.
However, as I mentioned in the post, due to the curse, Edward believed Mozenrath to be unpaired, as was I at the time. Which meant that no other warden was going to act in my interests, and from his perspective Mozenrath had no warden of his own for him to approach, and when Snape did arrive? As I understand it, Edward backed off, explained his mistake, and hasn't approached Mozenrath or Snape since then.
Mozenrath is entitled to be angry with him for this, but that doesn't translate into it being something that he deserves punishment over, and that is the suggestion I'm objecting to.
Even supposing he was unpaired, it doesn't give a rogue warden the right to just break into his room. As I mentioned, he could have-- and should have-- sought out other wardens instead of deciding that he could play private detective. An unpaired inmate doesn't have any less rights than a paired one. If my own were to leave tomorrow, that wouldn't give anybody the right to just walk into my room.
And no other warden? Not even the Doctor, who tried to help you even after being stabbed? You don't give him any credit. [AND THAT MAKES REX MAD. >CCC]
Frankly, I'm sick of wardens thinking they can get away with anything they want to do to inmates they have no authority over. If an inmate was caught breaking into somebody's room after being told to leave them alone, they'd be punished. What makes Nygma so special, aside from the fact that he did it for you? I don't want to see him hanged for this or anything, but neither do I want other wardens thinking they can get away with breaking and entering an inmate's room and claiming
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So tl;dr :c Also, MAN HE WANTS YOU TO SHUT UP ABOUT THE DOCTOR.raisedinaboxJuly 13 2011, 20:54:20 UTC
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Rex, the Doctor was working in the infirmary, and the infirmary was full of people who needed his help. Myself included. He wasn't in any position to run around the Barge investigating anything, and I wouldn't, and didn't expect him too.
I don't think that Edward did react perfectly to the situation, but considering almost the entire warden population was focused on either trying to kill Sveta, trying to stop people from killing Sveta, and trying to stop people from accidentally killing themselves, it wasn't exactly an ideal time for him to go looking for backup.
If your warden disappeared tomorrow, and then immediately afterward, oh, I don't know, let's say Victor, was suddenly struck down with a nasty case of nanomite inspired suffering of some kind? Wardens would be breaking your door down to check if it was you, and they would be within their rights to do so, because in addition to being in control of our lives, they actually have a responsibility to
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[Jim eased into the kitchen, and reached out to take one of Edward's hands.]
They're not imbeciles. They're just... children. Angry children with agendas, complaining about anything that springs into their minds.
[He tries to ease Edward's arm down slightly, because god damn it he's going to have to replace all those dishes you're breaking >C]
Snape and Mozenrath are just trying to shift attention off themselves and onto you because they know that you were right. I wouldn't expect any of the other Wardens to act on it.
Actually, I believe that Edward just assumed that whoever was at fault would have likely had some input from Mozenrath. Whether it came in the form of advice, potions, or materials, he's the inmate who's best equipped in this area. That's why he was asking Mozenrath for a list of transactions, instead of actually accusing him of anything.
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But for what it's worth, Shego's the only person on board with a justifiable grudge against me, and Mozenrath has a vested interest in her well being. It doesn't bother me that his warden is either unable or unwilling to actually investigate him for this, but It's not hard to figure out that he did it.
[The whole two-wrongs-don't-make-a-right here argument isn't going to fly.] Arthas wouldn't have been so subtle if he'd had an agenda against you.
I didn't look this time. I knew what you were dreaming because of some of the things that you said, but I didn't look. If I were you, I'd replace all your beverages.
No, I'm fairly certain it was Shego and Mozenrath. [Pause] I'm really not interested in either of them being punished for this, but if Mozenrath and his warden try to crucify Edward solely to distract from the fact that he was right about Mozenrath, and they don't want anyone to know? Then I will take steps to make sure that the truth comes out.
[He gives a slight hum in response to the comment about not having looked.]
You wouldn't have seen anything that remarkable anyway. Just unpleasant.
Jim could not be more certain that you did it, Mozenrath. But he's a two faced little bitch c:raisedinaboxJuly 14 2011, 12:07:26 UTC
I'm certainly not saying otherwise, Mozenrath, and I reiterate, I think you were entirely entitled to react as you did to someone trying to break into your room.
That said, I think events conspired against you, and against Edward. I don't think that he would have done this, had the circumstances of the curse not arisen to make it seem necessary to him. He wasn't right, of course? You had a warden, and even if you hadn't, he should have taken the time to find someone who was free to come with him so it didn't just seem like someone was trying to rob you. In this instance though, the wardens were in panic, he'd forgotten that yours existed, and time certainly felt like it was of the essence.
I really am sorry for what you had to go through, Mozenrath. But it was as much the fault of the way the Barge functions at large as it was of Edward.
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We're entitled a modicum of privacy; that's why we have our own personal cabins, rather than cells that receive regular checks. We have our own wardens; we're not beholden to any other one, and you won't find many inmates who'll agree to subject themselves to the whims of every person with a W beside their name.
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However, as I mentioned in the post, due to the curse, Edward believed Mozenrath to be unpaired, as was I at the time. Which meant that no other warden was going to act in my interests, and from his perspective Mozenrath had no warden of his own for him to approach, and when Snape did arrive? As I understand it, Edward backed off, explained his mistake, and hasn't approached Mozenrath or Snape since then.
Mozenrath is entitled to be angry with him for this, but that doesn't translate into it being something that he deserves punishment over, and that is the suggestion I'm objecting to.
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And no other warden? Not even the Doctor, who tried to help you even after being stabbed? You don't give him any credit. [AND THAT MAKES REX MAD. >CCC]
Frankly, I'm sick of wardens thinking they can get away with anything they want to do to inmates they have no authority over. If an inmate was caught breaking into somebody's room after being told to leave them alone, they'd be punished. What makes Nygma so special, aside from the fact that he did it for you? I don't want to see him hanged for this or anything, but neither do I want other wardens thinking they can get away with breaking and entering an inmate's room and claiming ( ... )
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[Pause pause. He's actually a little irritated by this now.]
Rex, the Doctor was working in the infirmary, and the infirmary was full of people who needed his help. Myself included. He wasn't in any position to run around the Barge investigating anything, and I wouldn't, and didn't expect him too.
I don't think that Edward did react perfectly to the situation, but considering almost the entire warden population was focused on either trying to kill Sveta, trying to stop people from killing Sveta, and trying to stop people from accidentally killing themselves, it wasn't exactly an ideal time for him to go looking for backup.
If your warden disappeared tomorrow, and then immediately afterward, oh, I don't know, let's say Victor, was suddenly struck down with a nasty case of nanomite inspired suffering of some kind? Wardens would be breaking your door down to check if it was you, and they would be within their rights to do so, because in addition to being in control of our lives, they actually have a responsibility to ( ... )
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Sorry. I considered filtering that away from you, but that might have struck you as a little controlling if you'd found out about it later.
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Are you all right?
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They're not imbeciles. They're just... children. Angry children with agendas, complaining about anything that springs into their minds.
[He tries to ease Edward's arm down slightly, because god damn it he's going to have to replace all those dishes you're breaking >C]
Snape and Mozenrath are just trying to shift attention off themselves and onto you because they know that you were right. I wouldn't expect any of the other Wardens to act on it.
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But for what it's worth, Shego's the only person on board with a justifiable grudge against me, and Mozenrath has a vested interest in her well being. It doesn't bother me that his warden is either unable or unwilling to actually investigate him for this, but It's not hard to figure out that he did it.
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I didn't look this time. I knew what you were dreaming because of some of the things that you said, but I didn't look. If I were you, I'd replace all your beverages.
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[He gives a slight hum in response to the comment about not having looked.]
You wouldn't have seen anything that remarkable anyway. Just unpleasant.
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That said, I think events conspired against you, and against Edward. I don't think that he would have done this, had the circumstances of the curse not arisen to make it seem necessary to him. He wasn't right, of course? You had a warden, and even if you hadn't, he should have taken the time to find someone who was free to come with him so it didn't just seem like someone was trying to rob you. In this instance though, the wardens were in panic, he'd forgotten that yours existed, and time certainly felt like it was of the essence.
I really am sorry for what you had to go through, Mozenrath. But it was as much the fault of the way the Barge functions at large as it was of Edward.
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