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kayti23 June 25 2008, 23:07:33 UTC
I don't know. I thought the reason some people are like that was because they weren't comfortable with the idea of children having horrible things happen to them. I thought denial (claiming that accusations tend to be witch hunts) looked more attractive to them than the reality, and that blaming the victim, leading to the hostility, makes them feel safe -- the old idea that they can then tell themselves that since they and people close to them don't deserve abuse, it won't happen. Classic case of heads in the sand. It's just that their attitude would be less harmful if they really would just put towels over their heads so the Bugblatter Beasts wouldn't know they could see them instead of doing the victim-blaming thing or refusing to believe that abuse is real.

Or is the question, "Why don't we live in a better universe?" I don't have an answer. We can keep trying to improve this one, though, raise awareness, like you're doing here, etc. Yes, I'm horrified, too. Thank you for bringing it to people's attention.

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siliconshaman June 26 2008, 00:34:49 UTC
and if he did that here, he'd be defending himself in an abuse case...not to mention disbarred from practice and probably looking at counter-claims for damages.

We have laws about hostile prosecution.

At least, for now we do...I hear they're talking about overhauling legal practices and moving to a more 'modern' [read american] model of a justice system.

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joanhello June 26 2008, 13:35:09 UTC
Did someone quote the line from Jefferson about how it's better for 100 guilty men to go free than for one innocent man to be unjustly convicted?

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violetmint June 26 2008, 18:11:01 UTC
All I can offer is the splenetic knee jerk reaction here. I wish I could eat his nuts raw, with a little balsamic vinegar.

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totempile July 9 2008, 03:25:13 UTC
Hrm, don't know how I ended up surfing *here,* but there's two words at the top of the page that make me doubt this is an accurate representation of what that Democrat was saying.

"Boston Herald."

I suspect he was speaking rhetorically to suggest that mandatory sentences would cause defense attorneys to rip children apart on the stand, not expressing hostility toward child victims.

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rarkrarkrark July 9 2008, 19:52:45 UTC
The same words were reported verbatim in several different sources.

I know that he was being rhetorical. But "defense attorneys will skewer witnesses and traumatize them more harshly than the criminal did" should *never* be an argument against taking more criminals to court. The mere fact that it is (but only for rape and child abuse crimes) is a problem in this society.

(I don't even agree with mandatory sentencing, and I think it's a lousy argument against)

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totempile July 9 2008, 20:26:01 UTC
I don't quite see the full logic there, either. But if the law's likely to result in such abuses in the courtroom, then they likely need to come up with a better law, or fix that part. Though it's an unfortunate but real factor that a lot of cases go unreported or unprosecuted cause the families of the victims don't want to put the kids through a trial ( ... )

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rarkrarkrark July 9 2008, 23:06:03 UTC
The full argument was that by requiring mandatory sentences for people convicted of child sexual abuse crimes fewer people who are accused of such crimes will choose to plea bargain. More will choose to go to trial, thus leading to more defense lawyers questioning children in the manner in which Fagan describes ( ... )

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