actually from Josh JonesstevemaxonMay 17 2006, 16:06:33 UTC
I agree that love is the key to Christianity. It is how the world will know we are Christ's disciples. I want to address one sentence that I think speaks to the heart of your post: "And of course, no one really believes that there are people who truly care and have love-driven motivations because everyone has an alterior motive."
It is my experience that those who believe such things are unfortunately speaking from their own personal perspective. You cannot speak for everyone. You certainly cannot speak for me, because I do believe, not only in others, but in myself. More to the point, I believe in what God can do in and through me. The entire premise and point of the Christian faith is that our nature is fallen, but God can redeem us.
Proposition: "We'll never be perfect so stop trying to be."
Counter Proposition: We may never become perfect, but we should still strive to be. Prf: By way of contradiction, suppose that we will never be perfect, so we should just stop trying. Assume that Matthew 5:48 is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong with our lives. Since Matthew 5:48 is inspired by God, we should strive to be perfect just as our heavenly Father is perfect. Thus, we should strive to be perfect and we should stop trying to be perfect. *contradiction symbol* Our hypothesis has reached a contradiction, and is therefore false. Thus if Matthew 5:48 is God inspired, then we are to strive to be perfect. Q.E.D.
I agree with anonymous
anonymous
May 17 2006, 21:11:57 UTC
I totally agree with anonymous! What is the point if we don't strive to be perfect? We may not be perfect but its a good goal to have. We would not have made the great strides our society has made if people just settled for living a mediocre life.
I wasn't pretending anything Steve. I know that my exit is rather mysterious and uncaring. I know I'm a screw up. I know I've hurt people. And for that I am truly sorry but to say it now is rather incredulous, especially over waves of the internet. I haven't talked to you because I haven't wanted to because to what purpose would we talk? To talk about how things are and what we've been up to? No, I think you'd rather talk to figure out what happened before I left and why it happened and how it happened, and then tell me your version of how I could have made better choices and how I'm supposed to be this and supposed to be that. Right? Oh! Maybe we'd talk about the Yankees or the NBA finals. Maybe I'd rather not talk about it with you
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I don't think you could have been a bigger jerk to Steve. All he did was want to talk to you. And if you don't think anything you did was wrong, then why would you be against talking to him? He was your cell group leader, and as such, has a obligation to talk to you about your life.
I wish I could adequately explain to you how ridiculous you sound.
You sure do a lot of assuming what I think. And you don't do a good job with it. You don't have any idea what I would like to talk to you about. I certainly don't need to figure anything out. I either already know things or I don't care to know them
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Honestly, I didn't feel like getting into a discussion about this whole thing, but then again, I asked for it posting it right? So, I suppose at 1 in the morning or so I didnt' stop to think about explaining why I wrote what I wrote. To some, I'm sure it seems that I'm trying to deflect attention away from myself. That's the biggest misconception. Although, I just left Watertown without a goodbye, without the hugs, without the facing a few people who really wanted to see me and speak with me. I can't explain it other than I was ready to leave. I hate goodbyes and I do regret not seeing everyone before I left. And I'm sorry I left with such haste. And I'm sorry that I hurt you Steve and that you had to track me down. And I don't blame anyone for my mistakes, nor do I blame my circumstances for my life. God is outside my circumstances. But the reason I wrote such a lenghty editorial, accepted by others or not, received by my or not, was to get out of my head the junk that's been clouding me up. And first and foremost, I was
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But I don't know if you are the right person to write it.
You have not spoken or written a single word to me since the week before you left.
I left you voice mails. You left town.
I tracked you down in Syracuse before you left. You continued to pretend things were okay.
And then you disappeared.
Only to reappear -- with this?
Actions ARE the only things that really talk.
What have yours said to me?
Or to the rest of your friends?
I don't know a single person who hates you, or has betrayed or stabbed you in the back.
But I know a lot of people you hurt.
Maybe you can start your imitation of Christ anew by addressing that.
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I want to address one sentence that I think speaks to the heart of your post:
"And of course, no one really believes that there are people who truly care and have love-driven motivations because everyone has an alterior motive."
It is my experience that those who believe such things are unfortunately speaking from their own personal perspective. You cannot speak for everyone. You certainly cannot speak for me, because I do believe, not only in others, but in myself. More to the point, I believe in what God can do in and through me. The entire premise and point of the Christian faith is that our nature is fallen, but God can redeem us.
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Counter Proposition: We may never become perfect, but we should still strive to be.
Prf: By way of contradiction, suppose that we will never be perfect, so we should just stop trying. Assume that Matthew 5:48 is inspired by God and is useful to teach us what is true and to make us realize what is wrong with our lives. Since Matthew 5:48 is inspired by God, we should strive to be perfect just as our heavenly Father is perfect. Thus, we should strive to be perfect and we should stop trying to be perfect. *contradiction symbol*
Our hypothesis has reached a contradiction, and is therefore false. Thus if Matthew 5:48 is God inspired, then we are to strive to be perfect. Q.E.D.
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...that's just my opinion.
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I wish I could adequately explain to you how ridiculous you sound.
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You guys are silly.
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