Meet Samantha T Anders

[rayruz]

This is something I'm sure I have talked about before, but for the life of me if I've made a post about it I can't find it. One of ivanolix 's porn battle entries (or three of them really) reminded me of a conviction that I have about Sam.

I believe that Sam/Kara would have been a better pairing and overall plotline if Samuel T Anders was replaced with

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[rayruz]

Oh yeah, I did mean to mention that whole Lee being her soulmate thing. Also problematic. I dunno why I forgot to put that in. I'm going to go ETA that in.

I want fic REALLY badly too. I'd write it but I have a million things going on in my head and I'm just burnt out on writing apparently. Other than PB stuff, I'm not getting any fic done. ARGH.

But I'm glad you liked the meta!

ETA: This is ridiculous but I'm kinda hung up now on who would play Samantha.

[rayruz]

I've got like 3 fics right now, all in different fandoms, and they're all stuck. Bah humbug.

I can't really think of anyone?

[callmeonetrack]

You make a really good argument, especially about it being more serious for Samantha to be stranded on New Cap when Kara leaves because of The Farm possibility

[rayruz]

Well, I did mention Kara loving Lee more as one of the potential problems of the Kara/Samantha pairing. It reads as heterosexual > queer. Because I don't see how Kara could love Lee any less

[callmeonetrack]

But if you change the LYDB 2 scene to something serious and more mature about gratitude and deep feelings... I don't know, that's exactly where it wouldn't work for me I think. I love that Kara introduces Sam as her personal property and some hot young thing she's screwing because I think that totally somes up how she sees him until the big retcon of 4.5. If it was Samantha and that scene was all about how glad she was that Sam(i?) was safe, even if she was crowing that she belonged to her, was her personal property...I'm just not sure you could meld the two that well. Either she's seriously relieved and glad that Sami is safe and it's a sweeter, more romantic reunion, or it's playful and drunken a la canon. If it was the first way, wouldn't we be even more confused that she had such deep feelings in light of how she feels about Lee? I think I would be.

But don't mind me, I'm just K/L OTP all the way I guess. I don't really care to see either of them with other partners--man, woman, god, creepy cylon, shrubbery, etc.

[rayruz]

But don't mind me, I'm just K/L OTP all the way I guess. I don't really care to see either of them with other partners--man, woman, god, creepy cylon, shrubbery, etc.

*pets* I know OneTrack, and we love you for it :)

[divadea]

In a word, Yes!

[rayruz]

Thank you!

[beer_good_foamy]

You know, I do believe you have a point. Especially regarding The Farm. Damn, that would so have worked.

On the other hand, of course, Sam would end up a dead cylon lesbian.

[rayruz]

She could go hang out with Gina. LOL.

[beer_good_foamy]

Actually, I was thinking more of it being a case of discount lesbians - ie some people would claim that it doesn't really count since Sam's not human anyway. (Then again, coming up with a wankproof queer couple is pretty impossible...)

[rayruz]

Oh right. Well if it doesn't "count" then do we sidestep Lesbian Death Syndrome or do we find our way into an endless wank paradox?

[lls_mutant]

Interesting!

I'm not completely sold, simply because I do like Sam as he is. (See my deep reasoning there?) I do really like your point about the Farm- the only reason I can accept that is because Kara/Sam was meant to be fraught with problems and I had the impression we weren't supposed to think it was ever really going to work. (Same reasons I love Cally/Galen.) That said, I do agree it would have been nice to have more queer presence on the show- I'm just not sure Kara's the character I would pick for it personally.

I'm trying to think which character I would, and you know which one I think I'd gender swap? Billy. Billie/Dee could be a lot of fun, and maybe Billie's actress wouldn't leave to be on a crappy show and Billie/Dee could have played out more :)

[rayruz]

I pointed out, Kara/Samantha still reads as really problematic. This is mostly about me needing to make The Farm and Scar a little bit more sensemaking as episodes, I don't know how well it would work as time went on. But Sam reads so much as plot device that I have issues embracing his relationship with Kara.

If we could avoid Billie death, I'd be all over Billie/Dee. Young, adorkable lesbians after the end of the world.

[lls_mutant]

The thing is, on BSG, everything's going to eventually read as problematic, because EVERYTHING is problematic on BSG, and a lot of it is by design. (A lot of it wasn't by design, but still.) How do you present queer relationships positively on a show where everyone is fucked up? (Granted, they could have done better than two sidestories.) But I've also seen complaints that Helena and Felix were stereotypes, which I sort of see, but I can make arguments that aspects about their characters fit their roles outside their sexuality. (Like Helena had to be a ball breaker, no matter which gender she was interested in, because she was an Admiral. And Felix being a bit beta and very cerebral fit because he was a computer geekBilly vs. Billie, however, is one where I think we could have avoided the death (and even the Lee relationship), because those came out of Paul Campbell leaving the show, rather than the writers. They did have to kill Billy, really- he was too major a character not to when he left. But they had other plans playing

[rayruz]

The thing is, on BSG, everything's going to eventually read as problematic, because EVERYTHING is problematic on BSG,
Ain't that the truth? All we can really do is love it despite its flaws... and write fix-it fic. (*tries to plant plot bunny seeds*)

Jewel Staite would have been a wonderful Billie.