A Discussion: Put on your Thinking Caps - Fic Prompt-a-thon

[rayruz]

I often find that I cannot have conversations with fanboys. I don't know why but their conversations tend towards bizarre nitpicking of the writing. Now I find that fangirls are critical too, but in different ways. I don't know, I'm not explaining it well.

Anyways, I spent this weekend mother's helping for a family with an autistic boy, but their

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[nicole_anell]

I think my big New Caprica thing is... why didn't the Cylons have more of a religious-conversion angle? I remember it was something a lot of people assumed would happen in fic/meta before season 3, that part of the whole occupation-of-peace-and-love thing is they'd want people paying lip service to the One God instead of their other gods.

But then it's canon in the webisodes that they did the opposite and were actually pretty respectful about the humans' religion until the resistance started operating out of there. But why is that exactly, except that it fits the Iraq analogy better? (Well that and it's smarter, but since when are Cylons 100% smart?) I WANT MY RELIGIOUS ZEALOT CYLONS BEING RELIGIOUSLY ZEALOUS.

[rayruz]

Ooooh... me likey! ME WANT.

[kdbleu]

I WANT MY RELIGIOUS ZEALOT CYLONS BEING RELIGIOUSLY ZEALOUS.

This! At least some of them. I would have loved to have seen an overly nice and helpful movement in the cylon ranks, giving the human population the things they needed to be successful on the planet. Some offering religion and others wanting to force religion down the human's throats.

And I would have loved for some of the humans to want the help from the cylon simply because they wanted, knew they needed the help they were being offered. Then have a group that still completely opposes the cylons in any form.

Having both groups split would have been really interesting.

[lls_mutant]

I just wrote something like this a day or two ago, you mind reader! :) Seriously:

They reached the edge of the city. There was no fence around it, which seemed a little odd, but New Caprica was not so rife with game and edible fruits that a person could survive on their own. People didn't run because there was no place to run to

[rayruz]

I am still convinced that there was rape going on

One of the idea I obsess over, a lot, is that Leoben crafted a "white knight" scenario for himself. I highly doubt Kara went straight to his dollhouse. I always imagined she was detained, possibly tortured, and Leoben "rescues" her from that, by taking her to his place.

[nicole_anell]

*nods* I imagine that too, it's even how I set up the Lee/Six version of it.

[rayruz]

Which is part of WHY I LOVED IT.

[callmeonetrack]

Speaking just in regards to the show's failures AS A TV SHOW

[rayruz]

MAN. You have so much thoughts I don't even know I can address them all...

As for space family... I mean, having people settling on New Cap, I think, doesn't HAVE to mean everyone leaves space. I just think it could lead to a more layered story and have simultaneous parallel stories of what's going on with the fleet and with NC. BUT I see your point.

And, as for the "very special episode" thing... I think those only became "very special episodes" because the show took a departure from the original format... because, dirty hands and the woman king were very much like... Water or Colonial Day or Bastille Day... pretty much all of the first season, and some of the second season (Captain's Hand, the Peggy arc even) were: here is a crisis, lets see how people deal with it. And S3 moved away from that, and then tried to recapture it poorly.

[callmeonetrack]

Colonial Day or Captain's Hand were so character-driven though. I don't know I guess it just depends on execution.

I just think spending too much time on NC would've been a mistake. Even if there was an alternate storyline on the ships...whenever you split up your main cast it doesn't usually result in good things, I think. It feels less organic, like the show is straining somehow. I guess if they were going to do anything more with NC, I wish it was to focus on the INITIAL setup of the planet, the time between finding it and groundbreaking day.

I still much would have preferred them giving time and better execution and a less rushed treatment of the show's central mystery instead about who the last five cylons were and what that meant for humans and cylons. So poorly handled IMO.

[rayruz]

I guess if they were going to do anything more with NC, I wish it was to focus on the INITIAL setup of the planet, the time between finding it and groundbreaking day.

Yeah, that's kind of what I was going for with this whole thing, sorry if that part wasn't clear. That skipping a year really did the show a major disservice.

[callmeonetrack]

Re: Bill and his guilt

I thought while I was watching Unfinished Business that that was why he was calling Chief into the ring, to punish him for professional mistakes the way Kara wanted Lee to punish her for personal mistakes. But then it weirdly turned into another "BILL IS ALWAYS RIGHT" object lesson where he beat up Chief for wanting to have a life (!). I mean I know ostensibly the answer was that "We've all gotten soft and I can't let that happen" which was sorta borne out of Bill's guilt, but...I didn't think beating Chief up for it was the answer. I guess it was supposed to be a symbol that the old man is made of stronger stuff than you think/it seems, but...eh. I thought that really didn't work so much.

[scifishipper]

I agree with most of what Tara said about it being uninteresting. I do think there could have been a bit more room to see what living there was actually like, but the show was about the cylon-human conflict and without the cylons bearing down on the humans, it is less interesting to me and the enormous pressure of "survival" is relieved to some extent. The show is predicated on RUNNING FOR YOUR LIVES! And on NC they were not running. ;P

I don't know why they made it a whole year. That's a lifetime for the people on NC who had probably just gotten comfortable and felt safe. And then they cobbled together the "aftermath" in the Fleet which was FIX YO'SELF citizens. It seems like less NC would have been better than more. IDK. I don't necessarily dislike NC as a concept (and I did explore some of what it would look like, although in some not-desperate ways), but IDK, it's not my favorite. I WANT SPACE BATTLES. :P

[callmeonetrack]

"I don't know why they made it a whole year. That's a lifetime for the people on NC who had probably just gotten comfortable and felt safe."

It also is a lifetime in comparison to the rest of the show. I mean all of season one is supposed to take 2-3 months!! and time passes pretty quickly in the other season too. Meh. DO NOT LIKE.

[scifishipper]

That short time line/intense action in the other parts of the show is as much a reason to stay out of NC - who wants to spend a year watching them get to know their fruits and vegetables? It's not that kind of show.

I like the NC arc well enough. I love the resistance and the Saul and Ellen storyline was aces and worth the whole thing. Other things about that arc, which are not under discussion here are harder to deal with.

[callmeonetrack]

Lol <3 <3 I didn't like my space family split up. :( and of course I didn't like my pilots split up. Ooh just had a really interesting k/L fic idea!! I've never seen it done...may have to give it a whirl!