eh i got nothing for ya. just agreement. i vax, at least partially cause i work in an hiv clinic and id rather not have that on my shoulders. also my kids godmum has boob cancer and itd suck to not get to party with her cause of something my kid could have avoided getting. that said we do one shot at a time and on a delayed sched. seemed like a reasonable compromise.
yeh pretty much now that my mom has a bad immune system and i'm around really sick people all the time, i am super all about understanding the importance of keeping community healthy! before, i didn't get the community aspect as much. even though i vaccinated kiddo, it was because i read & trust the medical research, but i was still deciding to vax based on me not wanting my kid to get sick. i didn't see/understand the community aspect.
My eldest kid has all the required immunizations for a child her age, my 4-year old is working on them, now. I delayed vaxing my daughter till she was two and it took about four years to get all of them, my son had a few as a baby 'cause babydad talked me into it. He's now catching up mostly because the school district requires it and I've come around to seeing a similar point of view to yours, where as when I was a brand new 19 year old mom I tended to be uninformed in general and went with my mom's very anti-vax stance, but I've since done my own research and have changed my mind. It's the whole idea that if everyone just stopped doing it then the diseases would come back, that changed my mind. It doesn't seem fair. Parents who choose not to vax essentially only have the choice because so many other people have. I do feel uneasy about exposing a very young infant to the vaccinations, and if I ever have another kid I think I'd probably wait a year or do them slower. To me, two months does seem awfully young to expose the immune
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Yeh, I hear that being a new young mom its difficult to figure out what you want to do as a parent. I totally wanted to please everyone to not be the "bad young mom." I know that breastfeeding, for example, is very dependent on if someone encourages you. My mom was pretty encouraging of breastfeeding.
I mean, is there really any solid idea of what causes autism anyway? From what I've read they're all theories.
They're actually debunked theories at this point. Lots of studies HAVE actually been done on this and they showed NO connection between autism and vaccinations. So actually, the scientific evidence shows affirmatively that there is no link between vaccinations and autism.
there's a really good article about it here. essentially, the "doctor" who came out hyping a connection between vax and autism was doing so because he was paid a million dollars by a personal injury lawyer suing vaccination cos. The "research" was knowingly corrupted and the result of non-consensual horrific tests done on children. There was no validity to any of it. Since then tons of studies have been done and they show no connection at all.
I had a really hard time making this decision because I don't know a lot about it and it seemed to me like for every argument that was for vaxing there was another one, equally convincing against vaxing.
What I ended up doing was compromising by waiting until she was 2 and then only doing one at a time. (and I still haven't done chicken pox in the hopes she'd catch it naturally, but I'll probably get that one for her soon.)
Can you explain to me why so many doctors are so hardcore about not waiting and doing it by the standardized schedule? does it really matter that much to wait until they're a bit older? it just makes sense to me and then from what I understood they don't test if taking multiple vacs at the same time is ok... so why not space them out? Some of the pediatricians I had really looked down on my for deciding that.
One reason doctors are into the schedule, is that yr immunity to some of the diseases depends on receiving repeat vax with in a certain time frame. The other reason is that many many families don't come back to clinics or doctors. So each time I see a family, I would assume this might be the only time to do vaxing. They might lose insurance, move, whatever. Those are my reasons. I think also in the back of my head, I feel pretty secure that vax'ing is safe. I know the science of immunology, so I don't worry too much. I imagine that some docs get frustrated, cuz it seems from a doctor perspective that the anti-vax movement is based on psuedo-science (vs "real science".) So, its hard to understand from a doctors perspective why a parent would choose to not vax. That would translate into pushy-ness out of frustration.
I saw an obituary for an itty baby who died of one of the vax-able diseases once, and according to the parents, it was contracted from a nonvaxed kid they didn't know was nonvaxed. Then there was a rubella scare in my AP community and all these preggo moms were like, "Shit, was I around that kid?!" Too much risk, too much paranoia, and if I had a med frag kid I would be pissed as all hell to learn that someone hadn't informed me they'd opted out of vaxing. I also don't want it on my head if my kid were to give an illness to a kid who couldn't be vaxed
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Yr last paragraph is totally right on. Its always easier to blame something specific and external, no? Vauge "likely a combo of genes, environment, things you do, bla bla" is not fun for patients to hear.
I do think its bogus that the clinic told you that yr medicaid would be jeapordized if you didn't do X, tho.
Religious exemptions...I feel that people should have a right to choose what to do with their bodies. I do think that we live in a bigger community that is put in jeapordy when folks don't vax. I also think that Religious Exemptions are falsely used sometimes. Like if you don't have a religious exemption, don't lie and claim it. What do you think about it?
As far as I know, you cannot drop anyone from MediCal if they don't do X. I think you can drop a patient from your clinic (for any reason) which I could imagine being equivelent to not having health insurance if there aren't any other options that take MediCal in yr area. However, you have to notify pt in writing and it cannot cause harm to the pt, or else it is unethical. I would consider talking to the specific MD, or talking to ethics board.
So, I wonder if these MDs know something I don't. If they are "encouraging" or misleading patients intentionally?
I don't know, but maybe on the private insurance market, a company could droop a family if they didn't vax? Like it'd be a higher risk group? I'm just guessing that it could be a possiblity, I have no idea.
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They're actually debunked theories at this point. Lots of studies HAVE actually been done on this and they showed NO connection between autism and vaccinations. So actually, the scientific evidence shows affirmatively that there is no link between vaccinations and autism.
there's a really good article about it here. essentially, the "doctor" who came out hyping a connection between vax and autism was doing so because he was paid a million dollars by a personal injury lawyer suing vaccination cos. The "research" was knowingly corrupted and the result of non-consensual horrific tests done on children. There was no validity to any of it. Since then tons of studies have been done and they show no connection at all.
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BTW I think yr decision is a good balance of the two sides.
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What I ended up doing was compromising by waiting until she was 2 and then only doing one at a time. (and I still haven't done chicken pox in the hopes she'd catch it naturally, but I'll probably get that one for her soon.)
Can you explain to me why so many doctors are so hardcore about not waiting and doing it by the standardized schedule? does it really matter that much to wait until they're a bit older? it just makes sense to me and then from what I understood they don't test if taking multiple vacs at the same time is ok... so why not space them out? Some of the pediatricians I had really looked down on my for deciding that.
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I do think its bogus that the clinic told you that yr medicaid would be jeapordized if you didn't do X, tho.
Religious exemptions...I feel that people should have a right to choose what to do with their bodies. I do think that we live in a bigger community that is put in jeapordy when folks don't vax. I also think that Religious Exemptions are falsely used sometimes. Like if you don't have a religious exemption, don't lie and claim it. What do you think about it?
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So, I wonder if these MDs know something I don't. If they are "encouraging" or misleading patients intentionally?
I don't know, but maybe on the private insurance market, a company could droop a family if they didn't vax? Like it'd be a higher risk group? I'm just guessing that it could be a possiblity, I have no idea.
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