Harry Potter - DH and the Nurmengard scene

[rhaella]

So I have, as we all know, been on a Harry Potter kick ever since I watched the Half Blood Prince, once again fascinated by all things Dumbledore/Grindelwald as I try to decide whether or not it was reciprocated. I’ve come to one conclusion that I wanted to share, because I haven’t seen it before (not that I’m particularly attentive!) and I think

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[celestineangel]

::GASP::

OH GODS. YES. ABSOLUTELY! You are so brilliant!

And it totally fits into my personal Grindeldore canon. ^_________^

[celestineangel]

Also, I am going to friend you now. I hope you don't mind. :)

[rhaella]

Not at all. I shall add you back forthwith. :)

[loredi]

I came from grindeldore just to say that I find your interpretation not only believable but also wonderful. And no, I hadn't come across anything like this. I must say that at the beginning I was thinking: "where is she going? I don't get it", but then it was all so clear! I love this idea. It goes perfectly with the idea I have in my mind about Grindelwald. And I was thinking... He willingly sacrificed, but the object to protect (Dumbledore) was already dead. Then, what he did do was protecting the hallows from Voldemort and that is why Voldemort was never able to find them, despite all his intelligence and etc... Ha! Harry won because of the old bad guy.

Thanks for sharing. As you see, you've put lots of lovely ideas in my head.

[rhaella]

You’re very welcome. :)

Yeah, there’s totally a tangent to this in which Voldemort fails to kill Harry once again because the sacrifice is still weirdly in place, protecting whoever possesses the Elder Wand - I’m not sure that old magic even really works like that - but it was totally fangirl logic, and it’s perfectly satisfying to just give Narcissa the credit for Harry’s victory. Yup. XD

[pathology_doc]

Here via grindeldoreAre you suggesting that Grindelwald attempted to die for Dumbledore in the same way that Lily died for Harry, and Harry tried to die for everyone in Hogwarts? Interesting

[guardians_song]

You've got a good theory, but I think it's got a few holes - and I must say, your questioning of Harry's reliability as a source of such easily verifiable information as Dumbledore's death (remember all the Hogwarts staff and students gathered around the body before Ginny takes Harry back upstairs? Remember that it's GINNY, not Harry, who first tells Ron, Lupin and co. the terrible truth?) makes me wonder where your biases lie.
Nah, she says that Harry's claim that Grindelwald knew Dumbledore was dead is unreliable. And, to be fair, Harry's goof ups on major statements out of ignorance (Black betrayed my parents! Snape hated my parents!) do get used as red herrings, so I'll have to agree with her on that one. :|

lj doesn't want to let me post this dammit

[rhaella]

Oh no, I’m not disputing Harry’s reliability as a witness of Dumbledore’s death. Not at all. I’m sorry if I gave that impression; no anti-Harry bias here. I simply think that his words to Dumbledore during the Kings Cross scene indicate that he’s taking for granted the fact that - as far as he knows - everyone has been made aware of Dumbledore’s death, and he’s applied it to the one scenario where this might not necessarily be the case. And I think this conclusion on his part is a bit premature, because all he knows concerning Nurmengard and Grindelwald is a few moments he spent in Voldemort’s head. Until then, he didn’t even know whether Grindelwald were even still alive. And I mention Harry because he’s the only one who makes an observation on the matter one way or the other.

Oh, I’m not insisting that Grindelwald could not have known about Dumbledore’s death (though this line of thinking obviously is contingent upon this possibility), only that he might not have known. Despite how public Dumbledore’s funeral was, we don’t know

[rhaella]

I’d love someone to ask that as well; I could see it going either way.

I don’t necessarily think it hinges upon a complete lack of contact, actually. Dumbledore can’t very well contact Grindelwald and inform him, after the fact, of his death. Er… I think, at least. As long as they weren’t talking/writing every other day or something - and it would be very strange if they were - it’s still doable, assuming that Dumbledore was unwilling to mention the fiasco with the Resurrection Stone. And who could blame him, considering Ariana?

[rhaella]

Hmmm. Well, it's kind of hard to say, I think. We'd have to assume that any sort of correspondence didn't fail miserably years earlier, or he had the time/energy/strength to get around to it, what with war at the gates, etc.

[serenity_winner]

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that is all my face can do right now

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[rhaella]

:D

(You’re icon is adorable, btw.)

[serenity_winner]

(lol thank you, it cracks me up every time I see it)