The Old Jedi Order had it coming.

[rhjunior]

ah, the fatally flawed Jedi philosophy

Comments

[caddan]

I'm half-remembering a quote that you like to bring up, which would be relevant here. Something about how being oppressed or controlled by a "good" person is worse, because they think they are doing it for your own good.

[deckardcanine]

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be 'cured' against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals." --C.S. Lewis

[rhjunior]

There's irony in the latter half of the quote: C.S. Lewis never foresaw that there would come a day when the Self Anointed would DENY help to the mentally, emotionally, and even physically sick and consider themselves more compassionate for it.

Remember the homeless problem? Know how it got started? When "compassionate" liberals who sat through one too many screenings of "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" and basically forced the insane asylums and sanitariums to dump millions of mentally disturbed people on the street.

Or consider Bruce Jenner. A man who mutilated himself to the applause and accolades of the "compassionate"!

This folly is everywhere: denial of discernment. Proclaiming in heroic tones that there is no "right" or "wrong", therefore nobody really has anything "wrong" with them. So, blaspheming the name of compassion, they not only refuse to save the man on the ledge but climb out to help give him a push....

[whitetail]

Has Jenner actually undergone gender reassignment surgery? Last I heard there were still some important bits of Bruce left dangling on Caitlyn.

I googled it but I can't find anything conclusive.

[deckardcanine]

I think part of the problem is that Lucas took inspiration from eastern philosophy without fully integrating it. Buddhism, for instance, advises you to kill passions, but not people.

Another problem is that he hadn't planned the whole thing from the start. When we first saw Luke in a desert dystopia, Lucas probably hadn't figured on how he got there.

[rhjunior]

The only way it would have been worse is if he HAD fully integrated it. It's no accident that nations steeped in Buddhism dragged behind Christendom by a thousand-year gap.

[deckardcanine]

The question is, did they mind?

[rhjunior]

If you were a beggar in Calcutta, and never knew that anything was or COULD be better, would you mind? Maybe not. But we would, and should.

Quibbles

[benschachar_77]

"I will not allow myself to feel fear or anger--" these are called psychopaths

Re: Quibbles

[auron3991]

On the first point, you are wrong. There is a difference between striving to acknowledge one's emotion while being able to keep a clear head and striving to not feel it in the first place. The former is about being able to function in high stress situations and allows for normal human development. The later is about stunting your own growth and destroys people.

Re: Quibbles

[rhjunior]

That's fanwank interpretation, not canon.