Do you want to see the definition of a selfish, irrational reaction? Yes? Then check out mine, to this press releasePeeps, I got teary. Just a bit, mind, but they weren't tears of joy
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i know where you're coming from, but fortunately i am able to handwave everything past the end of season 2. i was already well and truly disenchanted with RTD's self indulgence both on DW and TW, and didn't even watch CoE (thank god!) and i'm of the opinion that if i didn't see it, it didn't happen.
Admirable! I've only really managed that with SGA, where I took the executive decision that watching 5th-season Rodney abruptly find OOC love and happiness in the arms of an improbable, charisma-free Mary Sue, while John looked a bit forlorn in the background, wasn't going to leave me with the fondest memories of a show I love. So I stepped off. Engagement, what engagement? HAHHAHH!!
sadly, that one i watched to the bitter (and somewhat ludicrous) ending. i wish i hadn't. i haven't been able to rewatch a single episode since, tho i might give it a try at some point. and there were at least some eps that i thought were excellent even in season 5.
Reading that article, I kept thinking, 'But it's dead. It was a beautiful thing, but no matter how beautiful a thing was, its reanimated corpse is still horrifying.'
I don't know, maybe zombie!Torchwood will be good in a completely different and unexpected way, but it's not going to be our Torchwood.
Yes, Zombie!Torchwood is exactly how it feels to me, like whatever that umpteenth regenerated iteration of Ripley had become by the time of the last Alien film, or that DS9 ep where Julian keeps patching up bits of Bareil until there's no longer a real human soul left in the shell.
Would it be any good? Would it be any good Torchwood? Who knows? There isn't a single scrap of pre-publicity that would tempt me, not when the mis-match between what was marketed as 'all-new bigger better Torchwood the fans will love!' and what was delivered last year was so huge. Most of the poeople whose opinions I'd trust don't seem likely to be watching it either, so I'm not sure who might be in there to tell me after the broadcast that, yes, it's wonderful and worth it. It's notable that the fans eagerly awaiting the new season are substantively the ones who thought S1 and S2 were shite, and CoE was 'real' Torchwood. My guess is they'll think they're getting what they want, and they'll be happy... until they see what they actually get. At which
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In my happy little world, nothing past the end of season 2 ever existed, so I can continue to not watch new Torchwood like I didn't watch CoE. But I have to wonder -- when RTD smashed most of his toys at the end of that miniseries that doesn't exist in my world, was he thinking *he* wouldn't have to glue them back together himself? And now that he does, is he in a bit of a pickle?
Good point, and I honestly don't know. I do think he has a degree of absolute arrogance these days, though - I'm pretty sure his rationale would have been "Hey, I've destroyed everything before and Tinkerbell'd it all back together again, and those idiot fanpeeps keeps coming back to lap up whatever I drench them in, and I AM A CRITICAL SUCCESS, HAH!" Anyway, the wholesale destruction of everything that was Torchwood apart from the two characters who are forbidden to die... would only matter if anything about the first two years of Torchwood mattered in the slightest. And he'd thrown most of that away by the start of Day Two, and the rest by the end of Day Four.
My guess is, as long as it's got Jack and Gwen and that funny little logo in there somewhere, it could look like your icon and RTD would still say THAT IS TORCHWOOD, PEONS!
I've wondered if he was trying to punish that section of his audience who didn't obediently love the characters that he explicitly designed for us to love; instead, we liked the ones who were written to be "background characters." How dare we not fall in line with his artistic vision! Exterminate!
I agree on the arrogance. He can magically restore Torchwood -- and probably get a lot of viewers to see how he does it -- but he's lost the trust of a portion of his most reliable audience. Learning to like new characters only to have them killed off all over again is exhausting. Fool me once, shame on you, etc.
And now I want a TV series that features flying pigs. Or a hot air balloon crew. Or both! ;)
Last week, I was looking for movies in the store, and I came across CoE, and I cried. Right there, in the store.
I have no idea how to react to this news. I'm having to weigh how much I love John Barrowman and how much I hate RTD, and see who comes out on top. I'm already resigning myself to the fact that he'll probably kill off at least one of the members of the Cooper-Williams household.
I don't know - if I had any love for what's left of the previous three series, I still wouldn't be counting any chickens whatsoever right now. Rhys, for example, could be written out of the picture before the series even starts - why not? Tom Price is twittering like his own iunvolvement is a dead cert, but is the new US audience really going to want their shiny sci-fi show stuffed full of odd little foreigners who look about a thousand per cent away from the LA standard of telegenic? Also, even if the presence of Gwen and Jack is a cert, the quantum isn't. A man, a creative team, who marketed CoE to one specific subset of the potential audience based on a wholesale lie sustained for months
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::sticks fingers back in ears:: lalalalala...
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I don't know, maybe zombie!Torchwood will be good in a completely different and unexpected way, but it's not going to be our Torchwood.
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Would it be any good? Would it be any good Torchwood? Who knows? There isn't a single scrap of pre-publicity that would tempt me, not when the mis-match between what was marketed as 'all-new bigger better Torchwood the fans will love!' and what was delivered last year was so huge. Most of the poeople whose opinions I'd trust don't seem likely to be watching it either, so I'm not sure who might be in there to tell me after the broadcast that, yes, it's wonderful and worth it. It's notable that the fans eagerly awaiting the new season are substantively the ones who thought S1 and S2 were shite, and CoE was 'real' Torchwood. My guess is they'll think they're getting what they want, and they'll be happy... until they see what they actually get. At which ( ... )
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My guess is, as long as it's got Jack and Gwen and that funny little logo in there somewhere, it could look like your icon and RTD would still say THAT IS TORCHWOOD, PEONS!
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I agree on the arrogance. He can magically restore Torchwood -- and probably get a lot of viewers to see how he does it -- but he's lost the trust of a portion of his most reliable audience. Learning to like new characters only to have them killed off all over again is exhausting. Fool me once, shame on you, etc.
And now I want a TV series that features flying pigs. Or a hot air balloon crew. Or both! ;)
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I have no idea how to react to this news. I'm having to weigh how much I love John Barrowman and how much I hate RTD, and see who comes out on top. I'm already resigning myself to the fact that he'll probably kill off at least one of the members of the Cooper-Williams household.
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