Yeah...that describes it. Life has been blah lately. Last week was a fiasco. It is amazing how a series of delayed flights on Sunday night can affect the rest of the week
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True, not many do know what it takes...but I don't think that's the problem. The problem is that we've got two parties. One wants to build the Green Party. The other wishes to tear down the Democratic Party. And neither's gonna give an inch.
I hear you. I have a shitload of implementable ideas to get the party rolling but all of the ideas require having a sufficient number of people who have both time and political acumen, and we just don't have them right now.
I don't really agree with scooterbird; I think the "two camps" thing is a symptom more than anything else. Take people with time and no political acumen and thrust them into roles where people with political acumen should be, and you get the bullshit we see at the national party level right now, with the result that those of us who are actually trying to GET SHIT DONE have to waste our time with the people who shouldn't be there and who aren't actually doing anything productive
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Right on...robb_blackDecember 7 2005, 19:25:48 UTC
You are absolutely correct when you say
**Take people with time and no political acumen and thrust them into roles where people with political acumen should be, and you get the bullshit we see at the national party level right now, with the result that those of us who are actually trying to GET SHIT DONE have to waste our time with the people who shouldn't be there and who aren't actually doing anything productive.**
I think that is why people are leaving the party or just not interested in it anymore. At the local level, I'm lucky enough to be part of a good group of people who understand politics and organizing so it makes things more bearable. But we just don't have the people stepping up to run for office and this is an important year for us! We need to have a decent showing (by showing I mean number of candidates running) in our county otherwise all the people who have been watching us and quietly supporting us will lose interest.
scooterbird is right about the two camps. I think it is more than just a symptom however, I think it is
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Re: Right on...kakistocracyDecember 7 2005, 19:49:09 UTC
I don't think New Paltz is a good example necessarily. Jason West isn't a Democrat-hater. He's a sharp guy with legitimate political acumen and who views the party as a sustainable independent party
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I don't really agree with scooterbird; I think the "two camps" thing is a symptom more than anything else. Take people with time and no political acumen and thrust them into roles where people with political acumen should be, and you get the bullshit we see at the national party level right now, with the result that those of us who are actually trying to GET SHIT DONE have to waste our time with the people who shouldn't be there and who aren't actually doing anything productive ( ... )
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**Take people with time and no political acumen and thrust them into roles where people with political acumen should be, and you get the bullshit we see at the national party level right now, with the result that those of us who are actually trying to GET SHIT DONE have to waste our time with the people who shouldn't be there and who aren't actually doing anything productive.**
I think that is why people are leaving the party or just not interested in it anymore. At the local level, I'm lucky enough to be part of a good group of people who understand politics and organizing so it makes things more bearable. But we just don't have the people stepping up to run for office and this is an important year for us! We need to have a decent showing (by showing I mean number of candidates running) in our county otherwise all the people who have been watching us and quietly supporting us will lose interest.
scooterbird is right about the two camps. I think it is more than just a symptom however, I think it is ( ... )
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