Part 2

3.                  Find somewhere in scripture which says that tradition cannot be inspired.

Yes, tradition can come from God...if it is in the Bible!!!

Yes, but the proof asked for, especially in context, is proof that there cannot be things which are extra-biblical which are inspired.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Jeffrey Kadlec
To: jontrebor@aol.com
Sent: Mon, 21 May 2007 12:00 am
Subject: Re: Bible Discussion

This is going to be quite good.

Please excuse the way that your challenges are re-numbered...again, Yahoo e-mail is only marginally better than hotmail.  I'm thinking about switching to gmail.

God Bless You,
Jeff

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The outcome of this letter is a series of challenges. If you can accomplish one of them, then we can make some genuine progress. If you cannot, well, my beliefs are consistent with themselves.

1. 
   Find a writer prior to Wycliffe (15th century British monk) who consistently taught scripture alone and did not oppose Pauline doctrine or the ( Read more... )

    NO NO NO NO!  WE PRAY TO GOD!  We can ASK saints in heaven to pray for us...but that is not praying

to them.  WE PRAY ONLY TO GOD!

and:

(I AM A FRIEND OF GOD...PRAY TO ME!!!),

And then you said:

My response to the Council of Trent was clearly NOT taking issue with the term "pray".

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Jeff, I have asserted multiple times that your understanding of the word, "Pray" in the Catholic context is wholly incorrect.  You have refused to address or even acknowledge that there was a meaning to the word prior to the 1920's.  To this effect, unless you are willing to concede that Catholics mean "Ask" when they use the word "pray" (an ( Read more... )

And so, even the most common prayer to Mary is a request for prayer in itself.

You MIGHT say that the Catholic church-members are misunderstanding the meaning of Saints.

No, I would say that those who are unschooled might see things that way.  Most devout Catholics will agree with what's written above de facto.

But, I got you!  Why ( Read more... )

In regard to the saints issue.  The fact that the better translation is "holy ones" instead of "saints" does not negate the point that I made (specifically, that Paul was not referring to those who had passed away and were then [and still are!] in heaven…

This argument does not address the argument at hand (which, in longer form, was sent ( Read more... )

How I Understand the Bible
You are correct that I do not know every single line of scripture and understand every single thing I read.  When I say that I "understand" scripture, I mean that I know what lens to use when reading scripture.

But you have no guarantee that your reading of scripture is right.  Predestination, for ( Read more... )