OOC: Speculations and More info
Or: I Appreciate the Muppets on a Much Deeper Level Than You
Secondary Info Post that may hopefully spark a discussion.
The Muppets and Romance
Muppets come in all shapes, sizes, and species. Robin is a frog. Fozzie is a bear, Statler and Waldorf are humans, and so on. Now in the canon of the Muppet Show, it is not unusual for a non-human Muppet, to fall for a non-Muppet Human. Piggy and Animal spring to mind. Animal was always chasing the skirts, and Piggy swooned for just about every guest star on the show. Gonzo fell in love with Madeline Kahn, and Kermit was kinda gaga for Sofia Loren.
Kermit also fell for Linda Rondstadt, and here's the point of this section; she fell for him as well. So inter-species romances (sort of) are not unheard of. Now with the exception of Piggy and Animal, these romances seemed to be mostly non-dirty, and sweet.
Why am I telling you this? Because the time may come when someone may get an e-mail from me saying that Robin would like to have a crush on their character. If you all think that's squicky, then I'll back off, and there's certainly no need for it to be reciprocated, just be prepared for Emo Frog. But as a said, any relationship Robin gets into will be non-dirty, though he certainly won't mind cuddling and kissing and hand holding.
Robin's Dysfunctional(?) Family
Robin spends an awful lot of time with his Uncle and his friends. And I can remember only one ever reference to his parents. Robin's father being used in the typical 'behave or your dad will hear about it' context. Why is Robin always with his Uncle, and why do we never hear about his parents?
Well despite the adult nature of the Muppet Show (jokes about drug use and drinking and sex), serious issues like troubled home lives seemed out of their jurisdiction. Therefore, Robin and his Uncle are like, the slightly odd members of the family. Most of the others are content to live their small town lives. And they simply don't 'get' Robin and Kermit. They love and support each other, but they don't have a lot in common.
But Robin's parents support their son's ambitions, and so send him often to his uncle, so he can learn from the only person they know and trust in the Entertainment Industry. And listen patiently when he gets home and regales them all with tales of Muppet Antics and meeting celebrities. (He has a huge autograph collection)
The Philosophical Implications of the Muppeteers or; What I Think About at Work
The Muppets are real. To the audience, to the kids on Sesame Street, I'm sure to the actors who work with them, and I'd be willing to bet, in a sense, to the Muppeteers themselves. But it has happened at least once, where the Muppets, have noticed, and even interacted in a limited fashion, with their performers.
For the most part, they're sort of unaware of them. They'd seen Jim Henson hanging around, but paid no attention to him, like many actors don't tend to really notice the techies unless they directly interact.
Kermit seemed to be an exception, at least with Jim. When Mr. Henson died, there was a wonderful meta moment, when the Muppets looked down, and saw the Muppeteers.
"He was always hanging around, down there." *They all look down.*
"Hey, who are those guys?"
"Oooh, when we move, they move!"
Fozzie: "Don't look at them anymore, it's too weird."
I look upon this, as sort of a person's relationship with their guardian angel. Most of the time you wouldn't notice them, but then something happens and you can almost sense their hand in your life, intervening on your behalf.
What's this mean for Fandom? Probably nothing. But I did picture Aziraphale talking to Robin, and taking a moment to nod to Jerry Nelson as well.
Oh, please check with me before mentioning any of the tragic futures of John Denver or Christopher Reeve, John was a great friend to the Muppets, and they were all inspired when Mr. Reeve came on the show.
Secondary Info Post that may hopefully spark a discussion.
The Muppets and Romance
Muppets come in all shapes, sizes, and species. Robin is a frog. Fozzie is a bear, Statler and Waldorf are humans, and so on. Now in the canon of the Muppet Show, it is not unusual for a non-human Muppet, to fall for a non-Muppet Human. Piggy and Animal spring to mind. Animal was always chasing the skirts, and Piggy swooned for just about every guest star on the show. Gonzo fell in love with Madeline Kahn, and Kermit was kinda gaga for Sofia Loren.
Kermit also fell for Linda Rondstadt, and here's the point of this section; she fell for him as well. So inter-species romances (sort of) are not unheard of. Now with the exception of Piggy and Animal, these romances seemed to be mostly non-dirty, and sweet.
Why am I telling you this? Because the time may come when someone may get an e-mail from me saying that Robin would like to have a crush on their character. If you all think that's squicky, then I'll back off, and there's certainly no need for it to be reciprocated, just be prepared for Emo Frog. But as a said, any relationship Robin gets into will be non-dirty, though he certainly won't mind cuddling and kissing and hand holding.
Robin's Dysfunctional(?) Family
Robin spends an awful lot of time with his Uncle and his friends. And I can remember only one ever reference to his parents. Robin's father being used in the typical 'behave or your dad will hear about it' context. Why is Robin always with his Uncle, and why do we never hear about his parents?
Well despite the adult nature of the Muppet Show (jokes about drug use and drinking and sex), serious issues like troubled home lives seemed out of their jurisdiction. Therefore, Robin and his Uncle are like, the slightly odd members of the family. Most of the others are content to live their small town lives. And they simply don't 'get' Robin and Kermit. They love and support each other, but they don't have a lot in common.
But Robin's parents support their son's ambitions, and so send him often to his uncle, so he can learn from the only person they know and trust in the Entertainment Industry. And listen patiently when he gets home and regales them all with tales of Muppet Antics and meeting celebrities. (He has a huge autograph collection)
The Philosophical Implications of the Muppeteers or; What I Think About at Work
The Muppets are real. To the audience, to the kids on Sesame Street, I'm sure to the actors who work with them, and I'd be willing to bet, in a sense, to the Muppeteers themselves. But it has happened at least once, where the Muppets, have noticed, and even interacted in a limited fashion, with their performers.
For the most part, they're sort of unaware of them. They'd seen Jim Henson hanging around, but paid no attention to him, like many actors don't tend to really notice the techies unless they directly interact.
Kermit seemed to be an exception, at least with Jim. When Mr. Henson died, there was a wonderful meta moment, when the Muppets looked down, and saw the Muppeteers.
"He was always hanging around, down there." *They all look down.*
"Hey, who are those guys?"
"Oooh, when we move, they move!"
Fozzie: "Don't look at them anymore, it's too weird."
I look upon this, as sort of a person's relationship with their guardian angel. Most of the time you wouldn't notice them, but then something happens and you can almost sense their hand in your life, intervening on your behalf.
What's this mean for Fandom? Probably nothing. But I did picture Aziraphale talking to Robin, and taking a moment to nod to Jerry Nelson as well.
Oh, please check with me before mentioning any of the tragic futures of John Denver or Christopher Reeve, John was a great friend to the Muppets, and they were all inspired when Mr. Reeve came on the show.