Reloaded and Revolutions is an anagram for IT SUCKED!tampsteveMay 15 2005, 14:04:02 UTC
Interesting point...I think there's a bit of a grey area. Now bear in mind it has been a while since I have seen the movie, but Morpheus says that their policy is to run instead of fighting the agents
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Re: Reloaded and Revolutions is an anagram for IT SUCKED!roboticminotaurMay 16 2005, 18:22:30 UTC
Right, the "kill" wasn't really a kill in any final kind of sense. See my reply to your sister below for my thoughts about that, but also, on a separate note, Neo never killed any agents in the first movie either, really, right? Or in the second. Smith, after all, didn't die; Neo seems, in the climax of the first movie, to have only destroyed an incarnation of Smith (and, of course, altered Smith). Or in the second. But maybe in a sense he did kill the Agent, Smith, and created a new being, so changed was Smith from the encounter.
Yeah I was pissed about the Oracle too. I figure they shoulda gone balls out and made her totally different, at least, like a teenage boy, if they're gonna go with that "oh I had to change my appearance to hide myself" stuff.
Or they coulda CGI'd Jabba the Hut in her place, that would have been dope.
I'm trying really hard not to try to figure out, via mental pictures, one is castrated by blank cds and guitar string.
I dunno, you're talking to an unabashedly diehard fan here; I'm not sure that movie could have been better than it was. Yes I have seen DC; also a great flick, I think, but it never really stuck with me the way the Matrix has. Something about the characters. The main guy, I dunno, he's too intense for me to like him. And Kiefer Sutherland, I gotta be in the mood to take him, especially when he simpers and slurs like he does in that movie. But even though I love Agent Smith, I do think the -- whatever they were called, the aliens -- in DC are tons more fun than agents generally.
I think the 13th floor is also good. I only saw it once, when my intro to philosophy prof showed it to us; and I tend to think its better for getting intro kids hot for skepticism and phil of mind than either matrix or DC.
I don't recognize half of the movies you put on your top-ten list, by the way.
the villains were called the strangers. and yes, they fucking ruled. i'd say i like dark city about as much as the matrix, myself. great movies, all, so it's really pretty hard to compare them. as for the 13th floor, i haven't seen it, but it didn't look very good in previews. can you describe it for me?
It's not much to hear, really; people manage to create a perfectly real-ish virtual world that, I think, some people get stuck in, maybe, and you've got programs figuring out that they're programs, etc., yadda yadda. It's good.
You know, maybe they'll come out with a special edition revolutions that has alternate footage, like when Trinity is dying, and Neo'll be talking to her and she'll interupt him and say, "...wait a minute. I killed that agent! This is BULLSHIT!". And what can Neo do but just sit there and feel like a dumbass? Cause it's true. I agree with you.
Carl, did you get the new NIN? Cause I'm really curious to know what you think. I'm really really curious to know what you think. Cause, I just, it's...no, nothing. I mean, we'll talk about it. It's fine. It's fine. Haha! Bye!
i'll have to make this short because i am at work...aphextwinsMay 16 2005, 14:36:45 UTC
but she didn't kill the agent. she just killed the host body. as you know, the agents can move freely between any of the people that are still hard-wired to the matrix. when she "killed" the agent, she really just killed the only remaining host body that was on top of the building. had another plugged in person been anywhere nearby, that same agent would have taken over their body and continued the fight.
this is very different from neo's fight with smith at the end of the movie, when he actually destroys the agent from the inside out, not just merely killing the host body.
Re: i'll have to make this short because i am at work...roboticminotaurMay 16 2005, 18:14:34 UTC
You're right, I was playing fast and loose (uhuh) with "kill," as you and Steve point out. I agree Trinity didn't kill any agents; I wouldn't want to argue that she's the One or anything. My point is only that, in that particular situation, she was the clear badass, out of the two of them. Granted, killing an agent's incarnation is not "killing an agent." The impression I get from Morpheus' warnings is that even that act, just killing an agent's incarnation, was a first. But even if not, it's still real hot shit; certainly she deserved the kudos there, more than Neo
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Re: i'll have to make this short because i am at work...somdum4ukJune 17 2005, 12:25:17 UTC
We get small hints and clues in the animatrix. smith possessing a humans body in the "real world", is another hint. This method of technology was used to create neo. As we know in the last movie he dies connected to the matrix, with his minds knowledge of love an open book to the machines(unexplored territory for machines). Even if neo dies his mind is archived in the matrix , from where it was born.. aside from neos emotionless acting, (you thought that was keanu :P) and unique ability to program, how could you miss it? my favorite part of 2 is the agent fight scene, "amazing". frmo the 3rd i likeed smiths poetry "and all of them just as atrifical as the matrix itself".
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But I aggree... I'd give The Matrix a 9.0, Reloaded a 7.5 or 8.0 and Revolutions an 8.0 or 8.5
The only movies I'd ever give a 10 to are the extended LOTR movies... oh, and Beverly Hills Cop 3. Uhhh....yeah, sure
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Yeah I was pissed about the Oracle too. I figure they shoulda gone balls out and made her totally different, at least, like a teenage boy, if they're gonna go with that "oh I had to change my appearance to hide myself" stuff.
Or they coulda CGI'd Jabba the Hut in her place, that would have been dope.
I'm trying really hard not to try to figure out, via mental pictures, one is castrated by blank cds and guitar string.
And failing. *shudder*
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I think the 13th floor is also good. I only saw it once, when my intro to philosophy prof showed it to us; and I tend to think its better for getting intro kids hot for skepticism and phil of mind than either matrix or DC.
I don't recognize half of the movies you put on your top-ten list, by the way.
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Carl, did you get the new NIN? Cause I'm really curious to know what you think. I'm really really curious to know what you think. Cause, I just, it's...no, nothing. I mean, we'll talk about it. It's fine. It's fine. Haha! Bye!
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The State of Refusing to Pass Judgment, incidentally, is definitely absolutely and certainly not the State of Denial. No no. No.
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this is very different from neo's fight with smith at the end of the movie, when he actually destroys the agent from the inside out, not just merely killing the host body.
VIVA NEO!!!
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