Lately I've been really torn in my beliefs and haven't much talked about it with people. By last Christmas you could call me a non-Christian. I believed in something but it wasn't really Christianity anymore
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"I do believe in order. I also believe in higher intelligence. The universe has to have some intelligence in order to put this all together and support intelligent beings like ourselves."
Well, that's not a very good argument, "The universe has to have some intelligence...". Just because you don't understand how something can be, doesn't make it true.
Creationists use this logical fallacy all of the time. They haven't taken the time to study to understand pretty basic physical or biological processes, therefore the world must be 6000 years old like the Bible says.
"There needs to be a guide for the newly atheist. Something that helps cement a new morality, a new sense of hope and generally fills in the gaps that religion used to."
Well, there are some books I can recommend. Next time we go to Noodles, I can point them out at the bookstore next door.
Well whatever you want to call it in order to put things together even by trial and error and come up with something that works requires order and intelligence.
There is a reason that certain things work and certain things don't work.It's not just all chaos. Look at math, it has order. For the rest of your life you can be assured that 2+2=4 and that tomorrow for some unknown reason it will not just equal 5. That's order and order denotes intelligence of some type. Not our kind of intelligence maybe, but some kind.
What I'm talking about here is not some crazy supernatural idea, it can be proven over and over again that order exists in the universe and our daily lives.
To me, when you use the words "higher intelligence", you're saying that there is something out there that is cognizant and created or placed some things in to some time of order.
That can't be proven, at least right now.
We know that things aren't just chaos, but that doesn't mean something willfully put it together that way.
We know that certain chemicals react by exploding whereas others bond together. Some sort of set of rules exist that define that. Like the underlying programming of the universe. That in itself is order. Order is either a form of intelligence itself or the result of some kind of intelligent interaction.
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Well, that's not a very good argument, "The universe has to have some intelligence...". Just because you don't understand how something can be, doesn't make it true.
Creationists use this logical fallacy all of the time. They haven't taken the time to study to understand pretty basic physical or biological processes, therefore the world must be 6000 years old like the Bible says.
"There needs to be a guide for the newly atheist. Something that helps cement a new morality, a new sense of hope and generally fills in the gaps that religion used to."
Well, there are some books I can recommend. Next time we go to Noodles, I can point them out at the bookstore next door.
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There is a reason that certain things work and certain things don't work.It's not just all chaos. Look at math, it has order. For the rest of your life you can be assured that 2+2=4 and that tomorrow for some unknown reason it will not just equal 5. That's order and order denotes intelligence of some type. Not our kind of intelligence maybe, but some kind.
What I'm talking about here is not some crazy supernatural idea, it can be proven over and over again that order exists in the universe and our daily lives.
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That can't be proven, at least right now.
We know that things aren't just chaos, but that doesn't mean something willfully put it together that way.
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We know that certain chemicals react by exploding whereas others bond together. Some sort of set of rules exist that define that. Like the underlying programming of the universe. That in itself is order. Order is either a form of intelligence itself or the result of some kind of intelligent interaction.
I don't know.
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