John Henry: An angry mind?

[roxybisquaint]

John thought John Henry was "something bigger, something worse" than Cromartie, but Weaver said she'd built him to fight Skynet. I think both are true. I think Weaver's intentions were as stated, but John's hunch also ends up being right

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John Henry

[anonymous]

John Henry loves Savannah.

Savannah gets killed by rednecks.

John Henry kills rednecks.

John Henry finds out that the majority of humans are rednecks and are run by rednecks.

Humans must die.

Just when I start to accept that its over, something comes along to give me hope (like news from Thomas Dekker or Brian Austin Green) or I am reminded about the potential for what could be explored.

I would love to see Garret playing John Henry, or Cameron in John Henry/Cromartie's body, walking around. Or to see Summer play John Henry inside Cameron's body.

I am really set on the idea that they should get the gang back together and make 6 one-hour episodes/chapters to be released to DVD to act as Season Three. Then do it again (6 hours) for what would be Season Four.

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[roxybisquaint]

John Henry finds out that the majority of humans are rednecks

LOL. That wasn't quite how I saw it playing out, but yeah, something like that.

Just when I start to accept that its over, something comes along to give me hope (like news from Thomas Dekker or Brian Austin Green) or I am reminded about the potential for what could be explored.

So true. I can't let go of this show. I just can't. I love these characters too damn much. So I'll hold onto my hope for a mini series (or as you said - a mini series and a mini series!) until the convention next year. If nothing happens by then, I guess I'll accept that it's over and maybe finally write a continuation fic of my own.

John Henry part 2

[anonymous]

You know, its funny Roxy, I was thinking about this very thing today: John Henry becoming angry at Savannah's death and that making him into Skynet. Then I decide to check out your blog about 10 minutes after you post this.

I love your thoughts and I feel they are logical pathways that the writers would have taken in the falling of the dominos.

Re: John Henry part 2

[roxybisquaint]

Ha! Cool. Maybe it's the cosmic unconsciousness.

John Henry

[tackdriver56]

John Henry doesn't have to be one or the other: he can be an ally of John Connor and humanity, he can reduce Skynet's power simply by occupying a major fraction of the resources otherwise controlled by Skynet.

Having said that, Friedman and his writers went to a lot of effort to rub our noses in a few things: "Change a wire, change John Henry", "This body, this chip, were designed to kill humans (John Connor especially?)". Vyed_ma / Lydaksandra made a point of exploring that "deadly firmware" idea in fanfiction, along with the idea of Cameron's code remaining on Zeiracorp's hardware.

There's a lot of fertile ground to grow ideas. Savanah has a lot of potential in the T'Verse. I have a hard time imagining writers wasting that, let alone envisioning a scenario where her death would turn John Henry dark enough to launch Judgement Day and kill 3 billion humans.

Perhaps if Savanah were to try to unplug John Henry, that would do it.

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[roxybisquaint]

John Henry doesn't have to be one or the other: he can be an ally of John Connor and humanity, he can reduce Skynet's power simply by occupying a major fraction of the resources otherwise controlled by Skynet.

True, he doesn't have to be one or the other, but I really don't like the "your John may save the world, but he ca't do it without mine" idea. That, to me, still wanders to far from the original Terminator story. I like the John Henry and Weaver stuff as part of the overall story, but not as an ending to it all. It would water down the importance of Sarah and John too much.

There's a lot of fertile ground to grow ideas. Savanah has a lot of potential in the T'Verse. I have a hard time imagining writers wasting that, let alone envisioning a scenario where her death would turn John Henry dark enough to launch Judgement Day and kill 3 billion humans.

The fact that Kaliba/Skynet was after Savannah definitely works against my theory because her being a target implies she's important in the future. But it could also be that she

Re: John Henry

[tackdriver56]

Surely John Henry knows by now that humans can be good or evil. Does he know yet that we can be both in the same person

Jump for your love...

[tackdriver56]

I've been conflicted about John Connor's jump into the future.

One the left hand, by tricking John into jumping down-time twice, Cameron and Weaverbot have deprived John Connor of decades of preparation time.

On the right hand, John has needed to have his nose rubbed in the (general) facts of life, especially the value of one Alison Young. He has needed to get his whiny little self motivated by fully understanding what is at stake for humanity.

On the OTHER hand (radiation being what it is), the Queen's Gambit voiceover had a lot to say about the difference between chess and war, and the fact that in War, there is Hope, that the enemy of today will be the best friend of tomorrow, that total anihilation of either the self or the other, may be avoided.

[intrepid01]

I don’t see John Henry important in himself, but as stepping stone in Cameron’s evolution as an entity despite what Weaver’s original intentions were, his unique understandings and her glitch’y chip and the combining of minds are the core of that machine evolution

[roxybisquaint]

I don’t see John Henry important in himself, but as stepping stone in Cameron’s evolution as an entity despite what Weaver’s original intentions were, his unique understandings and her glitch’y chip and the combining of minds are the core of that machine evolution.

You mean John Henry will gain some radical insight about AI capabilities/development by using Cameron's damaged chip? Interesting. I'm going to be thinking about that one. I would discount John Henry's role (one way or another) in Skynet. His entire story about about being developed to fight Skynet (assuming we all believe Weaver), so whether he actually does fight it or doesn't, I think the story has to weave through that some extent.

They are one now with a new purpose in being, and yes, they did jump to the future because while the evidence and common sense would say otherwise, that is the only logical way for the story to go forward in placing John C and Weaver there, otherwise the splitting of future and past makes for a very schizophrenic season of stuff that

John Henry 3

[intrepid01]

What if John finally finds John Henry in the future and John Henry is totally advanced and totally different? John Connor may just think its the combination of John Henry/Cameron on the chip, but then episodes later in season three, we see Sarah busting into Kaliba HQ and turns a corner to find........... JOHN HENRY. He was there the whole time and the John Henry that John Connor finds in the future never jumped at all and is 18 years wiser. But is it primarily Cameron with John Henry's knowledge or the other way around

[loganwaters]

Speaking of Fringe, it's just been renewed (!) despite its continued tepid ratings and The Friday Night Death Slot.

I guess TEOTWAWKI is more palatable to Fox execs when a Magic Baby is involved. Or something.

[phantomwriter05]

As you see in the T Universe it's always the form of lack of control (or the fear of) that sends the cybernetic mind over the edge.

So it could be that the lack of control over something such as death could send JH over the edge. It could also be self defense.

I doubt that Sarah would see JH as a savior of Humanity.

It's possible that what could happen is that in it's fear of Sarah that JH runs to his brother and creates a pack.

Repression and lack of control usually are what leads to the rise of Skynet.

[roxybisquaint]

in the T Universe it's always the form of lack of control (or the fear of) that sends the cybernetic mind over the edge.

Exactly. If John Henry tried to protect Savannah and she got killed, I think he'd have a difficult time processing it... Where is she if she's dead? She's in heaven. Where's heaven? Um, far away. You can't go there. How can I tell God I want to see Savannah again? You can pray, but he won't bring Savannah back to life for you and you can't go see her. Why is God so cruel? And man is made by God in God's image? God is stupid. Man is stupid! I blame them all! Machines are better!!!!! Or something like that :P

I doubt that Sarah would see JH as a savior of Humanity.

LOL. Definitely not.

[loganwaters]

Wow. JH's reaction to being unable to prevent Savannah's death could take all kinds of strange turns.

He could try and "resurrect" her by creating a cyborg in her image, a la Alison/Cameron ("Perhaps in this story, you are God." ;).

Or maybe he'd try to off himself (ha!) in an attempt to be in heaven with Savannah.

Most likely, though, given his childlike reactions to things moral/religious... I think humanity would be in real trouble.