Comments | rubinpdf: I didn't think he had it in him...

rubinpdf

I didn't think he had it in him...

Nov 03, 2004 14:48

I must say I'm impressed that Senator Kerry was magnanimous and graciously conceded the election. Even though he would have needed virtually 100% of all provisional and absentee ballots to come in for him to win, I fully expected him to divide this nation further in a court battling death spiral.

"We talked about the danger of division in our ( Read more... )

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yubbie November 3 2004, 12:22:22 UTC

And maybe the GOP can abandon the rightist postions and meet them somewhere in the middle; where most of the rest of the country is. Given that bush got just over 50% of the vote, that means that slightly under *half* the country don't agree he's doing a good job. In a sane world, that would mean adjusting your positions to reflect what that 49% believe. However, the white house aides are already spinning this as a "Mandate from the people", since it's the first election in a while where the winner got more than 50%. A mandate is an election like we used to have back in the Reagan days - you win 80% or more of the vote, you can say you have a mandate.

pathia November 3 2004, 12:30:50 UTC

The most Reagan ever won was 59%

rubinpdf November 3 2004, 13:42:53 UTC

Bush worked well with Texan democrats as Governor. He was so well respected by Texan Democrats that even his democratic Lt. Governor endorsed him for president in 2000.

He hoped to bring to Washington the kind of bipartisan cooperation that had marked his tenure as governor of Texas. As President, while Bush continually extended his hand in the spirit of cooperation to the national democrats, he always ended up pulling back a bloody stump. Somehow in Washington, bipartisanship has been defined as Republicans agreeing 100% with Democrats. Hopefully that is about to change.

Also... rubinpdf November 3 2004, 13:59:30 UTC

Bush got greater than 50% of the popular vote for the first time in more than a decade. Bill Clinton never achieved such a feat, yet never did you hear a call for him to moderate his views to comply with greater than 50% of the electorate he failed to carry.

If you look at the breakdown of votes by county (as seen below), you will see that the overwhelming majority of the nation strongly support Bush. There is no way for democrats to be able to spin him as an illegitimate President any longer.

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desfido November 3 2004, 13:51:48 UTC

I'm curious about which positions that the Democrats have as a party that you consider to be extreme left-wing positions. It seems to me that the Democratic Party is not nearly as extreme in being left-wing as the Republican Party is in being right-wing - and the ways both have chosen to be more moderate seem to be exactly the wrong ways ( ... )

rubinpdf November 4 2004, 09:00:50 UTC

I'm curious about which positions that the Democrats have as a party that you consider to be extreme left-wing positions.A few example positions (not all - I'm limited in time) that the National Democrats have that I consider extreme are ( ... )

desfido November 4 2004, 11:17:28 UTC

A few example positions (not all - I'm limited in time) that the National Democrats have that I consider extreme are :

Abortion: If you don't support abortion for 100% of woman during the entire nine months of pregnancy, you are misogynist who is against all rights for women. It can't possibly be because there is concern over the life of the child.Personally, I tend to be opposed to abortion. Sadly, most of the prominent people arguing against it suck at having logic that is based on premises that most people are willing to accept as true or probably true. It's therefore easy to attack or dismiss such arguments, and then people succumb to ad hominem type fallacies and don't even really listen to the nonsucky arguments ( ... )

desfido November 4 2004, 11:22:05 UTC

Social Security: Social Security was created in the 1930's when the average life expectancy of men was 62 and woman was 66. It was intended to be help elderly widows, not be a retirement plan. Seniors today look at as a retirement plan. It is a fact that we will not have the resources to fund the system in as little as 20-30 years, so it only seems wise to look for methods to relieve the pressure on the system that can still provide financial support the elderly need. But if you say that, the National Democrats will say you want the elderly to become homeless, eat dog food and/or starve.The problem is that many of the methods suggested for modifying it (regardless of who's doing it) are clearly irresponsible. Nobody's willing to sacrifice anything. This irresponsible behavior seems to be nicely bipartisan; Republicans react the same way to Democratic proposals. I'd probably care more if they weren't both being such idiots about what they propose. But regardless, if you consider this an extreme left-wing position, then I guess the ( ... )

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After hearing Mark and Jay talk about this post, I had to look... rbandrews November 3 2004, 21:23:08 UTC

Adam and I were discussing last night whether you would gloat.
Thanks for proving me right.

Re: After hearing Mark and Jay talk about this post, I had to look... rubinpdf November 4 2004, 09:11:01 UTC

I can only assume you were on the side of not gloating. I was seriously impressed by the graciousness of John Kerry. He could have easily pressed for a legal battle in Ohio... In fact, I hear that pressure was placed on him from as close a source as his own running mate, John Edwards, to do just that.

The fact that he preferred to unite the nation showed to me that he had a lot more character than I thought. That's a compliment, not a gloat.

Gloating would be:
Ha! ha! ha! Stand by for four more years of liberal hell, you stupid liberal! Ha! ha! ha!

Re: After hearing Mark and Jay talk about this post, I had to look... rbandrews November 4 2004, 09:44:13 UTC

I can only assume you were on the side of not gloating.

What makes you think I would give you any credit at all?
There was only one side anyway. We agreed that you'd gloat the first chance you got, and what do you know?

Gloating rubinpdf November 4 2004, 10:05:33 UTC

So let me see if I understand this correctly... because I replied with an example of what an actual gloat might look like, you claim that I, in fact, did gloat?
Next you'll be saying, "Questions Are A Burden For Others; Answers A Prison For Oneself."

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Most Successful Post Ever rubinpdf November 4 2004, 12:48:53 UTC

I want to thank everyone for making this my most successful post ever. Your 30 comments (so far) prove You like me. You really like me.