SAM/DRG - Underestimated?

[rukenshin]

Introduction

So around 2-3 years ago I leveled up DRG subjob with the intention of using it as a 'for fun!' SJ choice on WAR and later SAM. And damn, 2 years ago, I can't believe I'm referring to past accomplishments in a video game in the increment of years. :( Damn this game.

Anyway, skip ahead some and when I first obtained relic GK I played

Comments

[anonymous]

First!

I don't even play anymore, but still interesting to read. BTW, you left out a 3 on WAR's total WS dmg in the first set of data. Nice post.

[rukenshin]

Thanks for compliment and the heads up on the typo, fixed it!

[celeras]

Was gonna say the same thing. Don't even play this shit anymore, but your science is still fun to read :D

I won't pretend I'm not confused as fuck as you having something equiped with a 2 hand weapon, though >.>;

[rukenshin]

Aha lol.. It's a grip, they introduced it a few patches ago.

All 2h weapons can equip grips now, they have small bonuses on them for melees and mages. Stuff like 2% DA, +3% crit, -3% delay (TP/hit lost though), +3 STR/20 HP, +20 MP/-3 enmity, +10 MP/HP & +1 INT/CHR/MND, etc.

They're pretty nice!

[thenama]

can't believe i never noticed rabbit pies before now~ supose i should pay more attention to updates or something

[veyrongaruda]

"No rabbits were harmed in the making of this pie."

[thenama]

well wtf theres not even any rabbit in it why is it called rabbit pie!

[rukenshin]

This further backs up the conspiracy theory that SE devotes all its time to time machine research, which is why their customer service support and etc lacks so much.

They used this technology to predict this LJ update, and associated the boom in Rabbit Pies that will result from this post, with the fact the post is about /DRG. What do /DRG and bunnies have in common, you ask? They both jump. Yes, I'm on to you SE.

Or maybe I'm just bored.

[salute77]

Yeah, personally I had no clue nor had ever even seen rabbit pies before that KI post that led to this. lol Really cool update, though, I'm actually glad just to have something to get excited about now, as things haven't really changed too much for sam lately D: (ok besides all the updates). Since this is the hot topic lately, along with sams using polearm for birdy merits, do you think /drg and proper acc gear is enough to justify this without any sort of polearm merits? 240 is sucktacular, fo'realz.

(p.s. - your first table is missing about 300,000 damage for /war! lol)

[rukenshin]

Yeah I fixed the typo, thanks! lol

And yep! Rabbit pies are awesome, my new favorite food.

As for Polearm, I'm not quite sure about combining /DRG with use of polearm on SAM. Playing around with /SAM and /WAR on DRG, I see some pretty insane differences between Penta damage with and without Berserk. I don't think it will be as simple a comparison as it was in /WAR vs /DRG using GK. Especially since you lose a large amount of attack with Polearm, which is needed to make the difference between the two subs small enough so /DRG gains the advantage in the other factors it offers.

So yeah, probably wouldn't recommend polearm SAM/DRG. With Polearm merits and good gear, polearm SAM/WAR can be really devastating on Colibri though.

[salute77]

I was pretty curious about how polearm worked out for sam in this situation, and if it could really be applied elsewhere, because it seems like it really does require at least good gear and most likely merits as you said, so it seemed like it was asking a lot for such a small window of usefulness. I mean I know damage probably won't be bad in other cases regardless, but as far as being worth meriting, idk. I have other jobs to consider and don't really want to let sam hog all the limited merit space if it isn't worth it! ../ramble.

Good point about everything, though, of course, and I agree, so I probably won't go that route. I wasn't really considering the scope of how things would be affected. Thanks again!

[rukenshin]

Honestly yeah, Polearm would be fun to play with but sticking with GK is still a viable and very strong alternative. It would be way overkill to throw in merits in polearm just for SAM, especially if you have other DDs (and not DRG leveled). I'd just stick with GK, and maybe try out polearm a few times for kicks at best.

It does require very good gear to work though, since you lose a good 36 accuracy in the gear change.

[sekcisonawt]

Hai there Rukey!!!

That is all. :3

[rukenshin]

Hay?!

What's up! Missing FF and all its blunders/faults yet?

[sekcisonawt]

Hmm, aside from making fun of some people.. And the people itself...

naaaaaaaaaaaahh. I do all of this in real life anyways, it's what friends are for!

But, I miss you guys, so it's kind of a disappointment. My character is on another server anyways? lol

[rukenshin]

Is it? D:

I thought I saw it recently... Or maybe not I guess lol

Actually I think it's been a while since I've seen it now. D:

[cats_eat_eggs]

That's quite an interesting read... Maybe I'll have to level Drg now, it'll only take me another year though.

[rukenshin]

DRG is sooo easy to level, especially if you're able to get a PL. I think I ended up going from around 15 to 37 within 2-3 days, without even playing much. I could chain Ts/VTs pretty well, and there are lots of flying mobs!

[swordcat]

This is true (I did DRG to 37 recently too and I think it's broken at low levels), but we're talking about Girl here, who's basically integrated into the Whitegate AH decoration since he spends 99% of the day there!

[rukenshin]

Maybe one day SE will add a way to get experience points from browsing the AH. I already know a few people who could've taken several jobs from 1 to 75 off of just that if they gave like 10 experience points for every action.