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So, i was listening to MuggleCast [because i am cool] and they were talking about Mad-Eye Moody, and what he was like, his charastics, and such. And it got me thinking [which is never good]...
On page 214 of Goblet of Fire, US Edition, it reads:
"'There's one - the Cruciatus Curse,' said Neville in a small but distinct voice. Moody was looking ver intently at Neville, this time with both eyes. 'Your name's Longbottom?' he said, his magical eye swooping down the register again. Neville nodded nervously, but Moody made no further inquiries."
On page 594-595 of GoF, US Edition, it reads:
"'You have been brought here before the Council of Magical Law,' he [Crouch] said clearly, 'so that we may pass judgement on you, for a crime so heinous -' 'Father,' said the boy with the straw coloured hair [Crouch Jr.]. 'Father...please...' '-That we have rarely heard the like of it within this court,' said Crouch, speaking more loudly, drowning out his sons voice. 'We have heard the evidance against you. The four of you stand accused of capturing an Auror - Frank Longbottom - and subjecting him to the Cruciatus Curse, believing him to have knowledge of the present whereabouts of your exiled master, He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named...'"
Crouch Jr. goes on to protest, claiming that it wasn't him, and the other three remain cool, and take their punishment, knowing they will be rewarded for it. The four are sent to Azkaban, life sentance.
However, we learn later in the book, that Crouch Jr. has escaped, and it impersonating Moody, to send Harry to Voldimort.
In the film, the scene is played something like this:
Neville gives the second curse, and Moody asks him to come closer. He, Moody, performs the Cruciatus Curse on the spider/scoprian thing. Neville procedes to become more and more disturbed. And then...
"'Stop it!' Hermione shouted shrilly. Harry looked around at her. She was looking, not at the spider, but at Neville, and Harry, following her gaze, saw that Neville's hands were clinched upon the desk in front of him, his knuckles were white, and his eyes wide and horrified." GoF, US, p.214
The class, at this point, thinks that the concept of such immence pain is what was bothering Neville, however, it was the fact that Neville just witnessed how he lost his parents.
So, Ron gives Moody the first curse, the Imperius Curse, one that he father knew about.
Neville gives Moody the second curse, the Cruciatus Curse, the one that distroyed his parents.
Hermione gives Moody the final curse, the Killing Curse, the one that caused her friend so much pain and suffering.
These scenes are left for us to wonder: Why would Moody/Crouch Jr. start the year with such pain and suffering?
As a Death Eater, these curses come easy to him. As an Auror, would he have been able to commit these awful crimes?
On page 532, GoF, US, Sirius is telling Harry, Ron, and Hermione in his cave:
"'I'll say this for Moody, though, he never killed if he could help it. Always brought people in alive where possible. He was tough, but he never descended to the level of the Death Eaters.'"
Could Moody have killed as easily as it appeared he could? Because Dumbledore trusted Moody, there was never any doubt as to what he was teaching was legit. However, because Dumbeldore and Moody were so close, and trusted eachother, to some degree, wouldn't Dumbledore have been more suspicious after the first fourth year lesson? Does Dumbledore know everything that goes on in the school?
Crouch Jr. showing the fourth year Gryffindors the Unforgivable Curses on their first lessons was garinteed to spark their intrest in the subject, and set the tone for the rest of the year, which is possibly why Crouch Jr. did it. Harry was developing ideas all year long about Crouch Jr. He asks the two people he trusts to know if Crouch Jr. was indeed a Death Eater, Sirius and Dumbledore. Both claim they don't know (pages 528 and 603 GoF, US).
When Neville Longbottom told the class about the Cruciatus Curse, Crouch Jr. was probably very pleased that he could inflict pain upon the son of the people whose lives he ruined without actually touching him [he was, afterall, under the nose of Dumbledore].
There are almost two distinct characters of Crouch Jr. The boy in the courtroom, pleading with his father, repeating over and over that it wasn't him. However, there is also the man under the influence of Veritaserum, speaking about his master with a crazed, love-sick smile on his face. Crouch Jr. never tells Dumbledore and the others if he, indeed, was one of the people who tortured the Longbottoms, however, after their discussion, it is assumed.
Is is possible that the boy in the courtroom was, indeed, telling the truth, that he never touched Frank and Alice Longbottom? Yes, he admited to being a Death Eater. He admited to being Voldemort's most faithful servant. He admited that he was going to deliver Harry to Voldemort.
But he never admited that he tortured Frank and Alice Longbottom. The boy in the courtroom seemed so scared. However, the three who actually did torture the Longbottoms did not. Death Eaters are calmest when talking about their crimes they commited for Voldemort.
Maybe he wishes he commited the crime of tortoring Frank and Alice Longbottom, which is why he chose to expose their pain to their only son. Maybe he didn't realize what he was doing, which seems almost true.
Page 218, GoF, US:
"'It's alright sonny,' he [Moody] said to Neville. 'Why don't you come up to my office? Come one...we can have a cup ot tea...'" He then procedes to give Neville the knowledge that Professor Sprout said that Neville was excelent at Herbology, which cheered Neville up quite a bit, then gave him Magical Water Plants of the Mediterranean. Yes, he is acting as a double agent here, but he seems truely sorry.
The boy in the courtroom is a True Death Eater. He admitted to it. As a Death Eater, he wants to be remembered for something he did, not something he was acused of.
Barty Crouch Jr. did not torture Frank and Alice Longbottom.
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So, i was listening to MuggleCast [because i am cool] and they were talking about Mad-Eye Moody, and what he was like, his charastics, and such. And it got me thinking [which is never good]...
On page 214 of Goblet of Fire, US Edition, it reads:
"'There's one - the Cruciatus Curse,' said Neville in a small but distinct voice. Moody was looking ver intently at Neville, this time with both eyes. 'Your name's Longbottom?' he said, his magical eye swooping down the register again. Neville nodded nervously, but Moody made no further inquiries."
On page 594-595 of GoF, US Edition, it reads:
"'You have been brought here before the Council of Magical Law,' he [Crouch] said clearly, 'so that we may pass judgement on you, for a crime so heinous -' 'Father,' said the boy with the straw coloured hair [Crouch Jr.]. 'Father...please...' '-That we have rarely heard the like of it within this court,' said Crouch, speaking more loudly, drowning out his sons voice. 'We have heard the evidance against you. The four of you stand accused of capturing an Auror - Frank Longbottom - and subjecting him to the Cruciatus Curse, believing him to have knowledge of the present whereabouts of your exiled master, He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named...'"
Crouch Jr. goes on to protest, claiming that it wasn't him, and the other three remain cool, and take their punishment, knowing they will be rewarded for it. The four are sent to Azkaban, life sentance.
However, we learn later in the book, that Crouch Jr. has escaped, and it impersonating Moody, to send Harry to Voldimort.
In the film, the scene is played something like this:
Neville gives the second curse, and Moody asks him to come closer. He, Moody, performs the Cruciatus Curse on the spider/scoprian thing. Neville procedes to become more and more disturbed. And then...
"'Stop it!' Hermione shouted shrilly. Harry looked around at her. She was looking, not at the spider, but at Neville, and Harry, following her gaze, saw that Neville's hands were clinched upon the desk in front of him, his knuckles were white, and his eyes wide and horrified." GoF, US, p.214
The class, at this point, thinks that the concept of such immence pain is what was bothering Neville, however, it was the fact that Neville just witnessed how he lost his parents.
So, Ron gives Moody the first curse, the Imperius Curse, one that he father knew about.
Neville gives Moody the second curse, the Cruciatus Curse, the one that distroyed his parents.
Hermione gives Moody the final curse, the Killing Curse, the one that caused her friend so much pain and suffering.
These scenes are left for us to wonder: Why would Moody/Crouch Jr. start the year with such pain and suffering?
As a Death Eater, these curses come easy to him. As an Auror, would he have been able to commit these awful crimes?
On page 532, GoF, US, Sirius is telling Harry, Ron, and Hermione in his cave:
"'I'll say this for Moody, though, he never killed if he could help it. Always brought people in alive where possible. He was tough, but he never descended to the level of the Death Eaters.'"
Could Moody have killed as easily as it appeared he could? Because Dumbledore trusted Moody, there was never any doubt as to what he was teaching was legit. However, because Dumbeldore and Moody were so close, and trusted eachother, to some degree, wouldn't Dumbledore have been more suspicious after the first fourth year lesson? Does Dumbledore know everything that goes on in the school?
Crouch Jr. showing the fourth year Gryffindors the Unforgivable Curses on their first lessons was garinteed to spark their intrest in the subject, and set the tone for the rest of the year, which is possibly why Crouch Jr. did it. Harry was developing ideas all year long about Crouch Jr. He asks the two people he trusts to know if Crouch Jr. was indeed a Death Eater, Sirius and Dumbledore. Both claim they don't know (pages 528 and 603 GoF, US).
When Neville Longbottom told the class about the Cruciatus Curse, Crouch Jr. was probably very pleased that he could inflict pain upon the son of the people whose lives he ruined without actually touching him [he was, afterall, under the nose of Dumbledore].
There are almost two distinct characters of Crouch Jr. The boy in the courtroom, pleading with his father, repeating over and over that it wasn't him. However, there is also the man under the influence of Veritaserum, speaking about his master with a crazed, love-sick smile on his face. Crouch Jr. never tells Dumbledore and the others if he, indeed, was one of the people who tortured the Longbottoms, however, after their discussion, it is assumed.
Is is possible that the boy in the courtroom was, indeed, telling the truth, that he never touched Frank and Alice Longbottom? Yes, he admited to being a Death Eater. He admited to being Voldemort's most faithful servant. He admited that he was going to deliver Harry to Voldemort.
But he never admited that he tortured Frank and Alice Longbottom. The boy in the courtroom seemed so scared. However, the three who actually did torture the Longbottoms did not. Death Eaters are calmest when talking about their crimes they commited for Voldemort.
Maybe he wishes he commited the crime of tortoring Frank and Alice Longbottom, which is why he chose to expose their pain to their only son. Maybe he didn't realize what he was doing, which seems almost true.
Page 218, GoF, US:
"'It's alright sonny,' he [Moody] said to Neville. 'Why don't you come up to my office? Come one...we can have a cup ot tea...'" He then procedes to give Neville the knowledge that Professor Sprout said that Neville was excelent at Herbology, which cheered Neville up quite a bit, then gave him Magical Water Plants of the Mediterranean. Yes, he is acting as a double agent here, but he seems truely sorry.
The boy in the courtroom is a True Death Eater. He admitted to it. As a Death Eater, he wants to be remembered for something he did, not something he was acused of.
Barty Crouch Jr. did not torture Frank and Alice Longbottom.
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