I think part of this may be the different spaces DW occupies in the UK and the US. In the UK it's mainstream television, in the US it's fannish, something you have to seek out. Tweeting grumpily about it in the UK is like tweeting grumpily about an episode of Friends when it was still on - it's hard to just-stop-watching because IT IS EVERYWHERE. Especially on Christmas, where it's a big thing that everyone watches together, usually while very drunk. Again: the main British audience is drunk people and children. And it's everywhere.
This isn't AT ALL to be minimising your reaction to what people are saying, because I totally agree, being the one going "but I...like it?" while everyone else is going "WTF WAS THAT CRAP" is basically awful! But maybe it's helpful to reframe it not as "everyone seems to be hate-watching this show but me, why!" but as people reacting to a Friends sweeps episode? Which is not more fun but maybe easier to write off?
Um also happy Christmas I hope it was nice except for people like me on Twitter! /o\
Heh. So I was reading this post, nodding along, already mentally crafting my comment that would read "You know that your RTD feelings are my RTD feelings, and your Moffat feelings are my Moffat feelings" - and then I got to the end where you name-checked me, and burst out laughing.
I've been having the same fandom experience lately, and it's *so* frustrating! I think I'm pretty critical of the things I watch, but so much of the Moffat commentary starts from the wrong end of things. I was having all of these "Moffat writes Who like a comedy" feelings this morning about the 50th, because I keep seeing all of these complaint-posts about how Nothing Means Anything If There Aren't Consequences, and that bringing back Gallifrey "cheapens" Nine's arc - as though Nine isn't a part of Eleven, as though Eleven didn't also experience all of those feelings of grief and guilt for what he'd done... Anyway, I keep thinking that that's like saying that Hermione's not *really* being dead in The Winter's Tale cheapens Leontes' grief for her - which
( ... )
I don't actually think most of Moffat's misogyny rubs off on the show, in the way that RTD calling fans mongaloids didn't. In fact I think they both have equal contempt for fans. I just think Moffat's a really bad writer, or at least he's writing really bad things at the moment. I did have problems with RTD but Moffat has really made me reassess things, and see how good RTD was at things like constructing a story and creating emotion, something Moffat hasn't done for me since the first Eleven series (mostly because the writing is so weird I can't get invested in anything). As for why I keep watching...maybe because I can't believe that things are actually so bad that I keep thinking the next one will be better? It's hard to believe that someone is really allowed to control the two biggest earners for the BBC and just be plain bad at their job, so maybe I think I'm being too harsh and it will get better. The 50th was not *great* but it was a massive improvement on the last series, and the Night of the Doctor was such an amazing
( ... )
I adored the episode! Basically, everything you mentioned i loved (bowtie, childrens drawings etc etc).
About 8 months ago, i had to explain to children i teach (17 year olds!!!) that Doctor Who didn't start with #9 and there was a whole world of amazingness that happened before they were born and that #10 was not the be all and end all (i think he is like hamlet myself, whiney and self important ;) ) Dad and I used to watch repeats of all the black and white episodes when I was about 5, love my Doctor and i don't care what anyone says about me because of that!
Comments 4
This isn't AT ALL to be minimising your reaction to what people are saying, because I totally agree, being the one going "but I...like it?" while everyone else is going "WTF WAS THAT CRAP" is basically awful! But maybe it's helpful to reframe it not as "everyone seems to be hate-watching this show but me, why!" but as people reacting to a Friends sweeps episode? Which is not more fun but maybe easier to write off?
Um also happy Christmas I hope it was nice except for people like me on Twitter! /o\
Reply
I've been having the same fandom experience lately, and it's *so* frustrating! I think I'm pretty critical of the things I watch, but so much of the Moffat commentary starts from the wrong end of things. I was having all of these "Moffat writes Who like a comedy" feelings this morning about the 50th, because I keep seeing all of these complaint-posts about how Nothing Means Anything If There Aren't Consequences, and that bringing back Gallifrey "cheapens" Nine's arc - as though Nine isn't a part of Eleven, as though Eleven didn't also experience all of those feelings of grief and guilt for what he'd done... Anyway, I keep thinking that that's like saying that Hermione's not *really* being dead in The Winter's Tale cheapens Leontes' grief for her - which ( ... )
Reply
Reply
About 8 months ago, i had to explain to children i teach (17 year olds!!!) that Doctor Who didn't start with #9 and there was a whole world of amazingness that happened before they were born and that #10 was not the be all and end all (i think he is like hamlet myself, whiney and self important ;) ) Dad and I used to watch repeats of all the black and white episodes when I was about 5, love my Doctor and i don't care what anyone says about me because of that!
Reply
Leave a comment