[Filtered to Shunsui, Ukitake, Unohana and the rest of the Illuminati]lady_of_booksJune 25 2009, 16:26:18 UTC
To be frank, sir, I believe he is sincere. I've spoken to him on several occasions behind your back and he has never threatened me. It is true that we automatically deem the Arrancar untrustworthy, and I am not saying we should allow him to stay in Seireitei without proper precautions.
It does also strike me that if we do accept his proposal, it will be an even more direct act of aggression than the retrieval of Inoue Orihime. It may incur repercussions, and we should be prepared for the eventuality.
[Same filter] 2 of 2sakura_kazeJune 26 2009, 00:59:32 UTC
Agreed.
This is something that probably would not go over well with the rest of the Arrancar, Espada, and even Aizen, I suppose. He more than likely obtains important information on things in Hueco Mundo which would be benificial to us Shinigami, but I can't imagine Aizen would be too thrilled with it.
In a way, it's a similar (yet, perhaps milder?) situation to what happened when Aizen betrayed us all. He played along with our ideas and our games for so long... then left Seireitei with enough power and information to pose a valid threat.
If the Espada want to retaliate (or Aizen or Ichimaru, etc), one has to wonder if we're ready to put ourselves in such a position.
[blah blah filter]lady_of_booksJune 25 2009, 17:33:40 UTC
Should we arrange a meeting, Captain Hitsugaya? I believe Stark-san has a certain degree of... not perhaps trust, but we have an understanding of mutual non-hostility. If you've also spoken to him before, perhaps we could better gauge his intentions together.
[blah blah filter]lady_of_booksJune 25 2009, 18:41:55 UTC
I have to assume Stark-san did not make a general announcement of his intentions. I do not think it would be possible for us to shelter him in Seireitei in plain sight, whatever else happens.
Shall I let him know we would like to speak with him?
[Illuminati FIlter] (wtf LJ?)howls_at_starsJune 25 2009, 20:32:34 UTC
Likewise, I've talked to him once or twice. I included him in the filter when I made the announcement of Orihime's death, and though I postemptively re-filtered it so Kurotsuchi dissenters might not see he was privvy to Seireitei information, I...kinda got a gut feeling he's for real.
Ise-fukutaichou's got a point, though. His betrayal of Aizen to come to us invites a lot of ire I ain't sure we've got the manpower--or frame of mind, frankly--to handle right now.
[Illuminati FIlter]lady_of_booksJune 25 2009, 20:50:06 UTC
I do not think we need to proceed immediately. He's made a request to us; I should hope he has factored in the possibility that it will take us time to deliberate. The situation is rather confused right now, and I appreciate your personal feelings regarding Inoue Orihime, Captain Abarai. This shouldn't be your main concern at the moment.
[Illuminati FIlter]howls_at_starsJune 25 2009, 20:53:04 UTC
I just hope this 'meeting' he's on about doesn't go badly; he sounded kinda concerned about it.
And...much as I appreciate your...appreciation, lieutenant, Hime wouldn't want everything to grind to a halt for her absence. She wanted to achieve peace between the Arrancar and the Shinigami. If anything, I kinda feel I owe it to her to really give this a go.
[Illuminati FIlter]lady_of_booksJune 25 2009, 21:06:28 UTC
If you say so, sir. I did not mean to assume on any private matter--my apologies.
Stark-san seems quite set on his venture, but he is also sensible of the eminent danger involved. I suppose we can do little but hope he comes through intact, and can perhaps meet with Captain Hitsugaya and myself later.
[Same filter -- assuming she's in on this?? if not, this ttly isn't here]meganepornJune 26 2009, 00:47:39 UTC
The only thing we can do is tread carefully. I have not spoken with him since my own incident, but he did help me. That's more than I can speak of-- well. It wouldn't hurt to investigate further.
[Same filter]sakura_kazeJune 26 2009, 00:53:54 UTC
How he assisted you, how he has been talking to Nanao-chan without harming her, and how he allowed Ukitake and I to leave the battlefield once Ukitake fell ill... those are why I am skeptical of the entire situation.
He is an Espada, which doesn't give him a lot of credibility by the association, but he was made to be an Espada. Not everyone believes in what they are taught as a young child, hmm? What makes this situation any different?
Regardless, I agree with you in that more investigation is needed.
There could be any number of reasons why he has come to this decision. Clearly, the forefront is that he's openly being a spy but being on good terms with us while he does so. However, the only issue I see with that is his utter laziness. I could be wrong, but it would seem like a lot of work to get on good terms with all of us then report back to Aizen with his findings.
Then again, we don't really know if there's some switch that could suddenly change things. But, I feel that is unlikely.
At the very least, all we can do is hear his offer and accept on a slight probation. For general safety, he could be watched, guarded, whatever, in coming here...just to see what happens.
{Same filter}frozen_cloudsJune 27 2009, 16:20:15 UTC
Although I don't know him well, I'd be willing to trust his sincerity in this instance. I tended to him once, and he was cordial and even kind to me. It was surprising to me, honestly.
If he is sincere, I agree that we should meet with him. Not without precautions, of course, but I think we can give him the benefit of the doubt this once.
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It does also strike me that if we do accept his proposal, it will be an even more direct act of aggression than the retrieval of Inoue Orihime. It may incur repercussions, and we should be prepared for the eventuality.
Are we ready for this, is my question.
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This is something that probably would not go over well with the rest of the Arrancar, Espada, and even Aizen, I suppose. He more than likely obtains important information on things in Hueco Mundo which would be benificial to us Shinigami, but I can't imagine Aizen would be too thrilled with it.
In a way, it's a similar (yet, perhaps milder?) situation to what happened when Aizen betrayed us all. He played along with our ideas and our games for so long... then left Seireitei with enough power and information to pose a valid threat.
If the Espada want to retaliate (or Aizen or Ichimaru, etc), one has to wonder if we're ready to put ourselves in such a position.
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Shall I let him know we would like to speak with him?
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Ise-fukutaichou's got a point, though. His betrayal of Aizen to come to us invites a lot of ire I ain't sure we've got the manpower--or frame of mind, frankly--to handle right now.
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And...much as I appreciate your...appreciation, lieutenant, Hime wouldn't want everything to grind to a halt for her absence. She wanted to achieve peace between the Arrancar and the Shinigami. If anything, I kinda feel I owe it to her to really give this a go.
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Stark-san seems quite set on his venture, but he is also sensible of the eminent danger involved. I suppose we can do little but hope he comes through intact, and can perhaps meet with Captain Hitsugaya and myself later.
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He is an Espada, which doesn't give him a lot of credibility by the association, but he was made to be an Espada. Not everyone believes in what they are taught as a young child, hmm? What makes this situation any different?
Regardless, I agree with you in that more investigation is needed.
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Then again, we don't really know if there's some switch that could suddenly change things. But, I feel that is unlikely.
At the very least, all we can do is hear his offer and accept on a slight probation. For general safety, he could be watched, guarded, whatever, in coming here...just to see what happens.
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If he is sincere, I agree that we should meet with him. Not without precautions, of course, but I think we can give him the benefit of the doubt this once.
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