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Sep 02, 2007 23:06

You can't be an atheist and still believe in hell! Thats stupid! You're stupid! Your head is stupid!

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45degreeangel September 2 2007, 12:43:52 UTC
yup atheism pretty much revolves around what we sense and experience.

If you can not sense or experiencc something withing the human perceptual framework then to an atheiest it can not exist.

If a person does not really believe in god but believes that the something that fits the concept of hell exists, they are an agnostic.

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denerose September 3 2007, 00:37:26 UTC
I think you have confused atheism with Empiricism... An atheist is anyone who does not believe in a form of God for any reason logical or otherwise. Atheism isn't an organized or defined body of thought it is simply a word which means lack of a belief in a God.

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45degreeangel September 3 2007, 01:46:23 UTC
No I haven't.

Define what a god is.

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denerose September 3 2007, 02:14:32 UTC
god n spirit or being worshipped as having supernatural power; object of worship, idol; (G-) (in monotheistic religions) the Supreme Being, creator and ruler of the universe, goddess n fem.

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invisiblemoose September 2 2007, 19:53:23 UTC
Hmm, I've checked out Dictionary.com's entry and Wikipedia's entry, both seem to believe that Atheism is simply the lack of belief of god.

So you can still believe in a version of heaven, hell, afterlife, whatever.

News to me, too.

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denerose September 2 2007, 23:33:58 UTC
atheism [aith-ee-iz-zum] n belief that there is no God, atheist n, atheistic adj.
- Collins English Dictionary, 2005, International Edition (pp. 34)

While that should probably extend to God/Gods it is otherwise the standard understanding of the word. Depending on the concept it is perfectly possible to be both an atheist and believe in some kind of hell or afterlife. The two are not mutually exclusive. Atheism is not a religion and has no organized views - it simply means you don't, for what ever reason, believe in God or Gods.

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salamanderdeath September 3 2007, 00:21:04 UTC
But God created heaven and hell, so it makes no sense for an atheist to believe in them.
They just end up making their own shit up - which is just as crazy as what they don't believe in in the first place.

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denerose September 3 2007, 00:30:08 UTC
No one said it had to make sense... they are still an atheist if they don't make sense but don't believe in God.

That is only ONE concept of hell. Many religions have forms of hell as do a range of philosophies. Some say that this world is a form of hell or punishment. Others believe in a form of greater unconsciousness and when one rejoins one's greater self and realises how much pain you caused others who are effectively yourself then that eternal moment of suffering is hell. You could believe in that and be an atheist as that is not a belief in god but rather in a supernatural selfhood.

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salamanderdeath September 3 2007, 04:56:11 UTC
Most traditional atheists believe that once you die, thats it - you're dead, and this is your chance to live - so live. So meeting an atheist that believed in an afterlife took me aback.
I still think its pretty retarded - but then again, I think that about every religion.

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