took from mr. sedlovsky fc link

[salrushdy]

 The problem of reality is and has been from time immemorial a central concern of philosophy. It is, however, a fundamental distinction, whether one approaches the problem of reality rationally, with the logical methods of philosophy, or if one obtrudes upon this problem emotionally, through an existential experience. The first planned LSD

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[benyx]

interestin

[salrushdy]

yeah, this idea of egocancelation that youfind in some religions always gave me a tough time to take it

[salrushdy]

unfamiliar with the book
I am going to read,
interview with hofstadtler looks promising moreover

[none13]

I am still not convinced that soliphism is not existable.

Using drugs and other mind altering substances does has impact on the user. However, its doesn't have any impact on its surronding.

Unseen things (e.g., unseen spectrum of the light) do have impact on its surronding.

"It is the product of the exterior world, of the sender and of a receiver" - I haven't encounterd many ppl who had contradicted my immiediate view of present reality (Not politics or future).

As I see it - in the past Science was developed from Philosophy. However, in QP Philo - The Philosohpy is being develoepd from the Science. What are the implication of it?

Does reality needs human to be exists or it is our Ego?

[salrushdy]

it seems that lsd test results and solipsism are not really contradict each other, by solipsist the external world and other minds cannot be known and might not exist. they just sy "might not".what i try outline in both cases there is close circle between the sender and receiver and both state bi sided dependence.
when you say science , do you mean experiment?
if yes, there are some points
1.in string theory , you have theoretical model and there is no experiments come, can you consider the physical theory as philosophy here?
if you can than the situation is like in the past, philosophy-> test
2. if you mean by philosophy only ontological perception of the world, i think there is significant difference between the
past and nowdays. and this difference comes from lack of intuition relatively QP results. that's why I think any philosophical interpretation of it is highly speculative comparably to past .

[none13]

"in both cases there is close circle between the sender and receiver and both state bi sided dependence"

But using LSD breaks this connections. Once the reciever or sender experiance a "different" reality the circle breaks.

Where does reality enters? Is it also inside the circle? Does LSD changes reality?

I mean that in the past philoshopy tried to describe the reality from the human point of view. The human is in the middle and the reality is a human's product.

Maybe the QP results are not intuitive because science nodays departed from the human point of view. If you detach the reality from the human and the human is not the cause of reality, then you might get not intuitve things, because they are not rise from the human itself.

Using LSD or other mind altering things or methods that try to analyize the human reality takes us back and brings the human into the equation.

Maybe the Eisenberg uncertainly law is obosolte if no measurement are taken and no human exsists?

[salrushdy]

if you are not assume existence of some kind of objective reality, the circle is not broken, I would say there are some distortions inside it.
yeah experiments in physics become strongly unintuitive, at least at this level intuition which is available in the normal state of mind
the energetic scale of expirement is about 200 GEV, entropy level is relatively very high, remember entropy and energy are connected via the temperature divergent
one person consume lsd his perception become quicker per 1000 times, which is related to highest entropy (information) level too. this can be a source for a lot of speculation indeed.