Obviously there is the...very very obvious EPIC HISTORICAL CONNECTION that they have going on there, Cleopatra and Caesar, tragic and fucked up and very large-scale and insane and not like anything you really get today, because...that was a whole other time and the world was a different place that produced different kinds of people! So it was interesting that having sort of...well. When Caius and Mina met, they didn't really remember who they were, but at the same time it was like they were really just operating with this thin veneer of the modern and contemporary over people who literally do not belong to this era.
Blah blah tl;dr SEPARATELY ALREADY they were intense and insane, and then they MET, and it was instant, which was...kind of fascinating to me. It interested me how Mina rolled with that straight away and Caius was more like Iii am twenty years her senior, I had a daughter her age, what the fuck am I doing - which ultimately didn't and couldn't have stopped him or her, but it was actually for Caius what first started
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Wanda was the first person that Donna met in the City, so arguably Donna just imprinted on her like a baby duck. (...just had to get that out of the way.) Their friendship is very sweet to me, in a very broken kind of a way; Donna really truly loves Wanda so much, she has a lot of respect and admiration for her. There was a scene once where Donna speculated on how she could probably get away with murder there, and it wasn't the possibility of not getting away with it that concerned her most, it was...the idea of disappointing Wanda.
So, obviously Donna has lacked, in the past, for positive female role models and maternal figures; Wanda, being suddenly both of these for her, is now the person that Donna really wants to make proud. On the other hand, it's not a case of pure and blind hero worship - which is why to Donna it's so important a connection, really, because they're actually friends, and inasmuch as Donna is capable of this she has a fairly realistic view, rather than an idealized image. Wanda's struggles with mental illness
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First of all, you are bad and you should feel bad. Moving on. James and Pela's relationship is totally fascinating to me in how totally fucking bizarre it is; I ~*observed*~ to you that he straight up fits the criteria for her ~*romantic partner*~, and at the same time here is this guy who deliberately framed something hurtfully in an otherwise quiet and close moment. For the direct purpose of killing that closeness. Every time Pela gets a little further under his skin, James withdraws more, throws up more professional barriers between them - which, while he doesn't exactly see it this way, acknowledges even as he does it that she can. That she would, if he didn't keep drawing his lines in the sand.
But he does! I've said before that he will probably never realize that one of the reasons she irritates him so badly is that a lot of the time their interaction is exactly like getting a taste of his own medicine for once, and no, he doesn't like that. Pela isn't somebody who Needs Him, and she isn't somebody that he just sort of
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nuala + the brucolacsaltroseortopazApril 13 2009, 13:55:31 UTC
I was really not sure how the Brucolac and Nuala's interactions were going to work out - like obviously I was like F YEAH LET'S DO THIS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS but really I didn't have much of an idea of how it was going to play out in practise, how she was going to respond to him. On top of that we have previously not really written together much, definitely not on any kind of consistent basis; it's not like I was expecting it to tank or anything, but I was definitely pleasantly surprised by how well this has worked out, just FYI.
Nuala is very fond of the Brucolac; he's very alien to her and at the same time he reflects familiarity. She isn't familiar with him, but he had such a strong connection with the other twins and behaves very much like he's still familiar with her, and part of Nuala - broken and hurt and healing and lonely - responds immediately to what that offers her. She has, I have noted, a slight infatuation with him - nothing she'd pursue, but it does influence how much she lets him get away with, with regard to things
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the brucolac + nualasnapples_applesApril 13 2009, 15:01:21 UTC
Heh, yes it's been surprising and refreshing and a ton of fun writing with you. HELLO WE CAN PLOT THINGS AND RAMBLE ON FOREVER ABOUT CHARACTERS and it is v. nice. :3 I think before there was just a lot of...I'm doing my stuff over here and you are doing your stuff over there and blending the two was just not happening. BUT JUST TRY TO GET BB UNENTANGLED NOW. I confess I still feel a little left behind when everyone goes on about the older hocave characters, but that's totes normal since I missed all that stuff, and I am getting to LEARN ABOUT THEM ANYWAY and enjoy the lulz. :D
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MOST ADORABLE FUCKED UP EVER they have problems, i enjoy it.
Some of these darker things tie back to how she fusses over him in her weird little elfy ways; she doesn't really know what's going on in there, and she couldn't really make a truly educated guess about all of the whys, but she does suspect and it's a motivator.
"well all our fucking characters are hard, woman."
So to speak, etc.
Anyway, since this apparently covers non-romantic relationships, let's go with Grif and Martel. Grif and Elizabeth would be cool, too, if something comes to mind.
Edit: Oh, and because I always forget about this one until after the fact, being out of sight and all, I will mention Smith and Freya, just to see what happens. :-)
You're a troll, and so is Grif. This is actually one of the reasons Martel likes him so much; look, villainy, a lot of those people are not big on the sense of humour. After a while, it gets tiresome. (After five minutes, it gets tiresome. He has some vivid fantasies about strangling Annias, and that's the merciful death. Anyway
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Re: grif + martelslaartiApril 13 2009, 14:30:04 UTC
You're a troll, and so is Grif.
It's part of why you're so fond of me, I know. :-)
Martel could very easily have known somebody kind of like Grif in the Order, yeaaaaaars ago. The Pandions probably would've really liked him, actually, enjoy that.
Grif as a Church Knight. I'm going to just soak in that image and lol for a while. Well, not really lol, because I'm in the office, but still.
No, you can't wear your goddamn armour to the wedding, Grif. Either of the weddings, lol they'll have to have one per universe.)
He does have a non-armor-sized tux, so he can manage that, and he's already been considering a trip to the Scadian Cluster to get some Ye Olden Times appropriate clothes.
Also it's nice to have solidarity in the 'holy shit Maria are you insane' corner. B|
He would have been best suited to the Genidians, probably. I'm just gonna sit over here and analyze your character for the purposes of inserting him into the Elenium, sup. (No I'm mostly lying.)
I almost just posted what I have of Martel/Laurel. SO...we have actually not had much of an opportunity to explore that dynamic WE NEED TO FIX THAT, but what I like about them initially is how easy it was to write them as being professionally friendly and comfortable together. They are the guys who hide together when they're supposed to be on break, drink some beer so they can pretend they are on a break, and when nobody's looking they're still working anyway. And they worked really well together; deferring back and forth as is appropriate, good-natured but never goofing off, no pissing contests.
Alex is probably Caius's BFF these days, and it's a pretty unspoken thing because of their...lack of needing to speak of it, they don't need to talk to know, kind of thing. Alex is the guy with whom Caius would fuck off with a couple horses and camp for a weekend and they'd come back and they'd have said two whole words to each other and that would be all they would need. (Claire and I decided this actually needs to happen, by the way.)
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UM TREEHOUSE CAN I GET A 'FUCK' AND A 'YES' yes I can
You and Claire should do the camping trip, and like- yes you have summed up everything I also like about these characters, in a lot of ways they are the...surfacely more approachable half of political pandemic, though Caius is inarguably more intense than Henry is, in my opinion. (Though measuring relatively, of course, because lol none of these people even know what normal goals and expectations of normal people look like and could not find it on a map.) Henry likes Caius; he's a stable man who Gets Shit Done and doesn't cloud it with his own personal feelings, which is...exactly what he loves in Alex, but no one said he had to make sense- it's two different approaches that can end up at the same place or in wildly different ones, but both get somewhere, at least.
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Obviously there is the...very very obvious EPIC HISTORICAL CONNECTION that they have going on there, Cleopatra and Caesar, tragic and fucked up and very large-scale and insane and not like anything you really get today, because...that was a whole other time and the world was a different place that produced different kinds of people! So it was interesting that having sort of...well. When Caius and Mina met, they didn't really remember who they were, but at the same time it was like they were really just operating with this thin veneer of the modern and contemporary over people who literally do not belong to this era.
Blah blah tl;dr SEPARATELY ALREADY they were intense and insane, and then they MET, and it was instant, which was...kind of fascinating to me. It interested me how Mina rolled with that straight away and Caius was more like Iii am twenty years her senior, I had a daughter her age, what the fuck am I doing - which ultimately didn't and couldn't have stopped him or her, but it was actually for Caius what first started ( ... )
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Wanda was the first person that Donna met in the City, so arguably Donna just imprinted on her like a baby duck. (...just had to get that out of the way.) Their friendship is very sweet to me, in a very broken kind of a way; Donna really truly loves Wanda so much, she has a lot of respect and admiration for her. There was a scene once where Donna speculated on how she could probably get away with murder there, and it wasn't the possibility of not getting away with it that concerned her most, it was...the idea of disappointing Wanda.
So, obviously Donna has lacked, in the past, for positive female role models and maternal figures; Wanda, being suddenly both of these for her, is now the person that Donna really wants to make proud. On the other hand, it's not a case of pure and blind hero worship - which is why to Donna it's so important a connection, really, because they're actually friends, and inasmuch as Donna is capable of this she has a fairly realistic view, rather than an idealized image. Wanda's struggles with mental illness ( ... )
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First of all, you are bad and you should feel bad. Moving on. James and Pela's relationship is totally fascinating to me in how totally fucking bizarre it is; I ~*observed*~ to you that he straight up fits the criteria for her ~*romantic partner*~, and at the same time here is this guy who deliberately framed something hurtfully in an otherwise quiet and close moment. For the direct purpose of killing that closeness. Every time Pela gets a little further under his skin, James withdraws more, throws up more professional barriers between them - which, while he doesn't exactly see it this way, acknowledges even as he does it that she can. That she would, if he didn't keep drawing his lines in the sand.
But he does! I've said before that he will probably never realize that one of the reasons she irritates him so badly is that a lot of the time their interaction is exactly like getting a taste of his own medicine for once, and no, he doesn't like that. Pela isn't somebody who Needs Him, and she isn't somebody that he just sort of ( ... )
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I was really not sure how the Brucolac and Nuala's interactions were going to work out - like obviously I was like F YEAH LET'S DO THIS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS but really I didn't have much of an idea of how it was going to play out in practise, how she was going to respond to him. On top of that we have previously not really written together much, definitely not on any kind of consistent basis; it's not like I was expecting it to tank or anything, but I was definitely pleasantly surprised by how well this has worked out, just FYI.
Nuala is very fond of the Brucolac; he's very alien to her and at the same time he reflects familiarity. She isn't familiar with him, but he had such a strong connection with the other twins and behaves very much like he's still familiar with her, and part of Nuala - broken and hurt and healing and lonely - responds immediately to what that offers her. She has, I have noted, a slight infatuation with him - nothing she'd pursue, but it does influence how much she lets him get away with, with regard to things ( ... )
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Some of these darker things tie back to how she fusses over him in her weird little elfy ways; she doesn't really know what's going on in there, and she couldn't really make a truly educated guess about all of the whys, but she does suspect and it's a motivator.
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So to speak, etc.
Anyway, since this apparently covers non-romantic relationships, let's go with Grif and Martel. Grif and Elizabeth would be cool, too, if something comes to mind.
Edit: Oh, and because I always forget about this one until after the fact, being out of sight and all, I will mention Smith and Freya, just to see what happens. :-)
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You're a troll, and so is Grif. This is actually one of the reasons Martel likes him so much; look, villainy, a lot of those people are not big on the sense of humour. After a while, it gets tiresome. (After five minutes, it gets tiresome. He has some vivid fantasies about strangling Annias, and that's the merciful death. Anyway ( ... )
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It's part of why you're so fond of me, I know. :-)
Martel could very easily have known somebody kind of like Grif in the Order, yeaaaaaars ago. The Pandions probably would've really liked him, actually, enjoy that.
Grif as a Church Knight. I'm going to just soak in that image and lol for a while. Well, not really lol, because I'm in the office, but still.
No, you can't wear your goddamn armour to the wedding, Grif. Either of the weddings, lol they'll have to have one per universe.)
He does have a non-armor-sized tux, so he can manage that, and he's already been considering a trip to the Scadian Cluster to get some Ye Olden Times appropriate clothes.
Also it's nice to have solidarity in the 'holy shit Maria are you insane' corner. B|
haha Yes. "Tinies. Tower. B|"
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henry & caius BD
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I almost just posted what I have of Martel/Laurel. SO...we have actually not had much of an opportunity to explore that dynamic WE NEED TO FIX THAT, but what I like about them initially is how easy it was to write them as being professionally friendly and comfortable together. They are the guys who hide together when they're supposed to be on break, drink some beer so they can pretend they are on a break, and when nobody's looking they're still working anyway. And they worked really well together; deferring back and forth as is appropriate, good-natured but never goofing off, no pissing contests.
Alex is probably Caius's BFF these days, and it's a pretty unspoken thing because of their...lack of needing to speak of it, they don't need to talk to know, kind of thing. Alex is the guy with whom Caius would fuck off with a couple horses and camp for a weekend and they'd come back and they'd have said two whole words to each other and that would be all they would need. (Claire and I decided this actually needs to happen, by the way.) ( ... )
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You and Claire should do the camping trip, and like- yes you have summed up everything I also like about these characters, in a lot of ways they are the...surfacely more approachable half of political pandemic, though Caius is inarguably more intense than Henry is, in my opinion. (Though measuring relatively, of course, because lol none of these people even know what normal goals and expectations of normal people look like and could not find it on a map.) Henry likes Caius; he's a stable man who Gets Shit Done and doesn't cloud it with his own personal feelings, which is...exactly what he loves in Alex, but no one said he had to make sense- it's two different approaches that can end up at the same place or in wildly different ones, but both get somewhere, at least.
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