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moonflowermoth June 13 2005, 02:11:56 UTC
hey *random reader* I know exactly what you mean. It's horrible to be restricted. Just remember though, feminists are people that want equality. That woman wasn't a proper feminist, or she wouldn't hate men ;)

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saltymcpepper June 13 2005, 07:42:19 UTC
This is what I'm confused about. Do women have grounds to justifiably hate men or not? Is equality enough, or do we deserve some payback for the years of oppression? I don't know.... !

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saltymcpepper June 13 2005, 07:45:04 UTC
p.s - wooo to randomers! Do you happen to know a Helen Sergent at Reading Uni btw? She's not doing classics but she has an interest in it so maybe you do... :)

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moonflowermoth June 13 2005, 09:19:02 UTC
Afraid not no :(

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jogn June 13 2005, 04:47:52 UTC
Woooaaahh!! Deep stuff there. But very interesting. From my point of view, it is deeply unfair that there are still opportunities denied to women. However I do not feel that any of my female friends are particularly oppressed, the only time the gender difference becomes an issue will be when they ask me to walk with them through a town centre late at night. Not that they think I am going to be able to protect them, but just the fact that I am male (if not macho) helps.

I find that by smiling nicely at (female) bar staff and not letching, I get served quicker than some other males. I am hoping that this will not mean that I am a)killed or b)refused cup cakes this evening.

That woman did look particularly peculiar. And I'm packing the boiler suit now.

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lyssiae June 13 2005, 13:44:54 UTC
What a great post, I've enjoyed reading this :)

When I'm not stressing about Gothic exams (10 points for the person with the best painted nails, haha) I have pretty weird ideas about feminism. I have my own definition for the phenomenon and according to that I'm pretty hard-core...but of course that doesn't do anything more than overlap slightly with the image I have in my head of mainstream feminism, which mainly consists of women burning their bras and generally being nasty to anything with a penis.

A while back I posted about this (I was indirectly prompted into it by livredor) - I don't know if you read it, but if you didn't, you might find it interesting, especially livredor's comment. It also links back to a post she made about it which sparked a lot of really thoughtful debate which I very much enjoyed reading.

I read a Wikipedia article about Andrea Dworkin, and to be honest if I'd gone through what she had in her early years, I wouldn't be surprised if I became really radical!

Sorry, this wasn't coherent. I'll try better soon.

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saltymcpepper June 14 2005, 13:54:49 UTC
I probably did read that, but my memory ain't what it was...

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