One of my major problems with it is a problem with the last few episodes of S5: characterization, particularly choices and motivations. It seemed like there was a shift in the show's themes
I agree. I felt that shift very much. It seemed as if they had a complete change of direction and everything was meant to make us think that what was happening was the only possible thing while there was no rational through-line for it. I also felt the disconnection of Sam saying that he's the less of them all with his absolute certitude that he'd be able to control Lucifer. Of the two one: if Sam believes he's the less of them all what makes him think he could control Lucifer? that plan acme out of nowhere, had no foreshadowing and it was absolutely crazy (and not the good kind, either).
but that he must learn to let Sam grow up or learn to love him for who he is or some such Oh, i think that for me it was the worst part and even more so with the hypocritical writing of season 6. Let me explain: it seemed to me as if they were
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I also felt the disconnection of Sam saying that he's the less of them all with his absolute certitude that he'd be able to control Lucifer.
Absolutely. Ugh. It was one of the most ridiculous things they could have chosen to do, especially after the extravagant way in which they shut down Dean's choice to say Yes. What, a better option is for someone "they need to let grow up" (of all things) give the Devil his one true vessel? Oh, please. That was all such sloppy writing, I can't even stomach watching most of that arc, to be honest.
To see Sam say that all he did in season 4 was because Dean wasn't letting him grow up made me dislike Sam's characterization so much because season 4 hadn't felt like that at all.I AM DOING JUMPING JACKS IN MY HEAD FOR HOW MUCH I AGREE WITH THIS COMMENT. Seriously. I remember absolutely loving S4 because it felt as if the show was letting the brothers actually grow up and have a more complex relationship as a natural progression from what they had been through before. Then S5 came along ("Fallen Idols
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But I want to get you started! I'd like to know why you didn't like it, maybe our reasons are similar?
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One of my major problems with it is a problem with the last few episodes of S5: characterization, particularly choices and motivations. It seemed like there was a shift in the show's themes
I agree. I felt that shift very much. It seemed as if they had a complete change of direction and everything was meant to make us think that what was happening was the only possible thing while there was no rational through-line for it. I also felt the disconnection of Sam saying that he's the less of them all with his absolute certitude that he'd be able to control Lucifer. Of the two one: if Sam believes he's the less of them all what makes him think he could control Lucifer? that plan acme out of nowhere, had no foreshadowing and it was absolutely crazy (and not the good kind, either).
but that he must learn to let Sam grow up or learn to love him for who he is or some such Oh, i think that for me it was the worst part and even more so with the hypocritical writing of season 6. Let me explain: it seemed to me as if they were ( ... )
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Absolutely. Ugh. It was one of the most ridiculous things they could have chosen to do, especially after the extravagant way in which they shut down Dean's choice to say Yes. What, a better option is for someone "they need to let grow up" (of all things) give the Devil his one true vessel? Oh, please. That was all such sloppy writing, I can't even stomach watching most of that arc, to be honest.
To see Sam say that all he did in season 4 was because Dean wasn't letting him grow up made me dislike Sam's characterization so much because season 4 hadn't felt like that at all.I AM DOING JUMPING JACKS IN MY HEAD FOR HOW MUCH I AGREE WITH THIS COMMENT. Seriously. I remember absolutely loving S4 because it felt as if the show was letting the brothers actually grow up and have a more complex relationship as a natural progression from what they had been through before. Then S5 came along ("Fallen Idols ( ... )
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