My Two Cents or Why Glee Should Not Ship Karofsky/Kurt After Last Week's Ep

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shamanonramen.com/2010/11/david-the-gleeliath/

Read the article first about last week's ep. It's very good and I completely agree with everything he says *until* the end.

I think a Kurt/David relationship needs to happen. Blaine, Kurt’s gaydian angel, is so incredibly Kurtesque that their relationship would essentially be masturbation. Kurt/

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I have to say -thank God you wrote this. I totally agree with you. I loved David's comment, but you're definitely right at that final point.

I had bullies too. One persistent bully, to be more specific. And even If they/he give me an apology, I would never, and I mean NEVER, be able to see him/them as a couple. It's so... I don't know. Disturbing? Bullies are mean. They hurt. Maybe they're more hurt inside that people can even imagine, but that's not enough reason to make them lovable. I feel sad for Dave. I think it's everyone's fault that he hates himself that much.

But let's not get confused -Kurtosfky is NOT a good message AT ALL. Hate/love are not that close. You can beat something.

However, I like Kurtofsky in fandom. I read it, but only when it seems a bit real. Kurt being turned on by Dave's evilness? SHIT, NO.

In my opinion, Gleeks are a bit wrong. Max Adler is really nice. I like him, I totally do, I think he's gorgeous and a great actor. But he's that, an actor... not his character.

Thanks again for this :)

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Thank you for reading and commenting on my little rant! LOL

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Of course it isn't Kurt's fault. From my bullying experience, I have to say it wasn't mine neither. But that's life

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What does "Fandormers" mean? It sounds really cool! Also, I would say that we are normal too! We are "disoriented" about a lot of things when it comes to sexuality, not just homosexuality. I'm a sex educator and it's an uphill battle every day. Combating people's misinformation, bigotry, denial, fear...etc makes teaching openness and tolerance and acceptance a very hard thing.

Forgiveness

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I am a fan of Kurtofsky. BUT, that doesn't mean I condone abuse. We as the human race and as a civilized culture have the opportunity to nip and right a budding wrong. There was abuse but there was YET no rape. Kurt does not "have to be" the victim here. And, neither should Karofsky. The abuse CAN stop on all fronts and that is a big message that Glee can send.

In this crossroad, Glee via Kurt and Blaine CAN choose to reach out. Kurt has this chance to grow and become a "man" by being the advocate for Dave Karofsky. There's a way to straddle this fence. Don't jump the shark and get them together, but don't dismiss the fact that they have something good going on here. Good in the sense of character and storyline development. This is also another perfect excuse for New Directions to be the quintessential freak show support system and accept Karofsky into their fold.

Re: Forgiveness

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Thanks for your comment! I should have been more clear about my position, I apologize. I did not mean to equate rape and the physical abuse Kurt has suffered on the show. I used it as an example of a type of thinking. Specifically, the idea that love conquers all--including physical abuse and/or rape

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Actually New Directions is not a haven. In the pilot episode, Puck heaves Kurt into the dumpster while Finn holds Kurt's jacket. Kurt calls Finn out when he tries to rejoin the group: "You threw pee balloons at me." He lives among his tormentors. They may have backed off physically, but even in the Never Been Kissed episode, the gay jabs continue to pour forth from the mouths of Puck and Santana. It makes me angry that week after week Mr. Shue hears and says nothing about those hurtful comments. I think he's an extremely poor excuse for a teacher and a human being.

Re: Forgiveness

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You are very right that glee club is not as much of safe space as it should be. But I do think that the kids perceive it as such. At least compared to everywhere else. And if not a haven, it's at least a place where they can be themselves and find encouragement to pursue their interests. Puck and Santana are a work in progress. They *are* better though. Especially Puck.

I do think that Will needs to do more about them, but I think he's trying to take baby steps with them. I'm reminded of how Puck blew up at him in the principal's office last week when he's was simply trying to help him.

I felt the same way last season about Rachel though. It seemed to be okay to put her down and treat her like crap because she was the "annoying" one. And, ironically, it was Kurt that was bullying *her* last season! I'm really glad they had that moment this season where they seemed to be starting a tentative friendship (and not just Kurt lying about it to try and sabotage her and Finn)--though of course Rachel is the one who reached out first.

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Thank you for this! While I'm all for Karofsky finding redemption, etc. etc. I honestly think that Kurtofsky ending up as canon sends the wrong message to the world. And if the writers even dare to try to go down that road, I'm sorry, I WILL stop watching Glee (and I know for a fact that most of my friends, being Kurt fans, will do so as well).

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After last week's episode, I think we can breathe a sign of relief on the Kurtofsky front. I honestly do not see how the writers could even try to successfully mount a Kurt/Karofsky ship after the death threat, the expulsion, the return and Kurt transferring to another school. I have no hope for that ship dying in fandom, alas, but at least I think we can be sparred of it becoming canon. I hope.

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I stopped watching GH in college when they tried to turn Luke's rape into "the seduction of Laura." *shudder* (It was a disco, not a department store. He was the boss and she was a waitress there, adding another power dynamic issue to all the horrid squickiness.)

I hope Kurt (and maybe Blaine) find a way to reach out to, be there for, Karofsky as a support system and maybe, eventually, friends. But damned if I want any touching beyond a firm handshake. Seriously. I gag thinking about the cake-topper touch. Not because I find Karofsky physically repugnant, I don't, but because Max Adler sold the confused menace in the gesture.

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Gah! Sorry about the mistakes in the details! I blame my mother. I got it from her, second hand. By the time I was watching GH, it was looong after that storyline. I wasn't even born during that storyline. lol

Though the extra details *do* add to the squick factor! I didn't know about the power dynamic thing. Ugh, epic Fail.

Again, totally agree about the Kurt/Dave thing. I support a tentative friendship WAY WAY down the line in the future, but I couldn't stomach a romance between them. The cake-topper scene was awesome! Max and Chris totally sold it. Max with the menace and Chris with the quiet terror. And the fact that the scene *was* quiet made it that much scarier.

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