How's my driving? (Or lack thereof?)

Nov 24, 2000 00:00

So, uh, typical HMD post here. I think I have all the settings right (anonymous posting on, IP logging off, screening on)...

I'm really new to Luceti, and I've never done any kind of roleplay like this before. AND I'm using an OC. So any kind of constructive criticism is totally appreciated.

ooc, hmd, tl;dr

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pathways February 25 2011, 03:06:23 UTC
You know, I just want you to know I think he's awesome.

/useless comment.

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semper_cogitans February 25 2011, 03:10:59 UTC
<3 Really?

who are you and why are you stalking me *shot*

No, seriously, really? I appreciate that a lot. From a moderator (I think... I actually had to check the journal sorry I didn't recognize you ;;), that seems to be some pretty high praise.

I only hope Robert continues to be genuinely interesting for you and other players in the game!

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pathways February 25 2011, 03:16:13 UTC
Yeah! (and iz okay, I wouldn't expect everyone to immediately recognize my personal LJ.) I actually have some kind of tl;dr reasoning behind this that I'll probably expand on when I'm awake ffff, but I've actually wanted to tell you that for a while so I decided to run over here while it was on my mind. I'll expand a bit tomorry. keep on rocking in the meantime. |D

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semper_cogitans February 26 2011, 02:41:08 UTC
I'd love to hear actually, whenever you have the time to say! <3

And thanks a lot. x3

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the_mikester April 3 2011, 15:21:55 UTC
Hey, I'd do this over chat, but you're not on right now. ^_^;;

Just something I thought of. If Robert's society is so violence-phobic, then I'm not sure Robert should be handling himself that well in a crisis. Just because the fight or flight response has been suppressed, doesn't mean it's not still there (unless it's been removed or completely suppressed somehow), and dealing with panic is a skill that takes time to learn. So no matter how logical Robert is, I'm not sure it's realistic to have him this level-headed in a crisis.

I'd love to hear your thought process on it; I'm sure you have one. ^_^

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semper_cogitans April 3 2011, 17:08:31 UTC
Well, let me see if I can't come up with some explanation...

Firstly, when I say "crisis", I don't necessarily mean a situation that includes imminent violence. Vivi being stranded at the lake, for example, is a crisis. Helios bleeding out because of injury Robert wasn't there to witness or deal with is a crisis. In both cases nobody's actually being attacked, but the situation is still what I'd consider a crisis - basically I'm taking the Wikipedia definition of a crisis:

"A crisis (plural: "crises"; adjectival form: "critical") (from the Greek κρίσις, krisis) is any event that is, or expected to lead to, an unstable and dangerous situation affecting an individual, group, community or whole society."

That is, it doesn't have to be confined to just situations of aggression.

Also on that note, Robert does have terrible skills when it comes to violent crises. He's only been in one violent crisis so far - when he was attacked by Yuber - and he did not handle that well at all. He pretty much nearly lost himself to panic there, and he ( ... )

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poorneedyand June 1 2011, 03:53:39 UTC
Hey--on the subject of Kay and gays ( ... )

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semper_cogitans June 1 2011, 04:01:39 UTC
First of all, thanks for telling me beforehand! I liked reading the articles you had on Kay's behaviour so far, actually... It's interesting, especially considering I don't know too much from the period myself.

Now, for me specifically - bigotry is something that, while I personally find incredibly distasteful when it actually exists, is also something that... actually exists, and thus I have no problem having my characters deal with, experience or in any way react to it. Of course, other muns might feel differently, but Robert himself has dealt with homophobic behaviour in-game from a couple of characters (Don's brother Raph especially) and so isn't entirely unaccustomed to the concept ( ... )

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poorneedyand June 1 2011, 22:21:52 UTC
Your derp hasn't become a problem, don't worry. This is just something I'm intent on getting right, so I want to be upfront with the fact that I'm not quite prepared to have the issue come up with my character at this point in time.

So here's the thing with Kay: Homophobia is one of the major plates I have to keep spinning as far as her worldview goes. Kay is pre-Stonewall by almost fifteen years, and that means I have to collate quite a few different angles on the subject here (US law, UK law, social expectation in both countries, portrayal in literature, portrayal in Hollywood, &cet.), covering both rural and urban communities from about 1900 to 1960. From there, I can plan out her reactions to various general subjects and decide where and how far I want her views to develop.

This actually isn't all that difficult for me, insofar as I already have foundational knowledge of the history of lgbtqai visibility (and am always up for rewatching The Celluloid Closet). It mostly takes analysis and consideration, which I haven't ( ... )

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semper_cogitans June 1 2011, 22:48:09 UTC
It's fine, actually - I really like how dedicated you are to making Kay's character come across well. <3

I know some things about LGBA/TIQ history and visibility, especially of the Stonewall-ish period, and I actually have read/watched The Celluloid Closet myself o/` But I can certainly see where you'd need to spend a lot of time analyzing - it makes sense to me, as does your very valid point that other muns might be a lot more uncomfortable with this than I am. (I'm inordinately hard to bother.) It is important, and while I should hope nobody would assume those views were yours', you're still correct in that they could end up offending people if you don't have a strong rationale for them to back it up. (For the record, Robert's downright bigoted in some ways himself - his anti-violence taboos are almost scary. But those probably wouldn't be triggering for any muns ( ... )

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anonymous June 18 2011, 06:26:36 UTC
I didn't really feel comfortable bringing this up in the game-wide HMD so I'm putting this here.

You didn't mention anything in your app about Robert being autistic of having autism, but suddenly during this last event, he does? You claimed that his social awkwardness stems from this. As someone who grew up with a sibling who had autism, I found this to be very offensive. Autism does not mean "socially awkward," it's a developmental disorder.

In your app, you say Robert's childhood was "filled with constant mental growth" and he "he quickly took to learning". This would not be the case in a child with autism. At most, you might be able to attribute his social anxiety and anti-social tendencies to be due to Aspergers (the milder, high-functioning form of autism), but again, this is not mentioned in his app ( ... )

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semper_cogitans June 18 2011, 08:54:15 UTC
Okay, these are some really good points here, and I realize I must look entirely ignorant now that I haven't brought them up before. Hopefully you don't mind me replying to this.

First off - I do want to clarify that I understand that social awkwardness and autism aren't the same thing (even though I did an absolutely pathetic job of showing this awareness) - though in Robert's case, they feed into each other. His particular brand of autistic spectrum disorder is probably closer to Asperger's, and that's something I should have made much clearer - this is entirely my fault for not clarifying, and I can certainly see why you'd be upset about that.

Second part - yes, I should have mentioned this in his app - and indeed, I should've made sure I was going to include this as a trait before I did anything with him. That... is a major failure on my part, too, and I'm really sorry that I did that. I know that it's way too late to apologize for that, but... I am aware that that's a problem. I'll admit that I didn't think that through well ( ... )

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anonymous June 18 2011, 09:11:14 UTC
the idea is that it was supposed to be something entirely preposterous, something that would make it blatantly obvious to anybody with any knowledge that he was affected by an experiment.

Unfortunately, a lot of people don't know that much about autism to grasp that. It's not the kind of thing people would immediately associate as being preposterous: "Hey, it's a disorder of some kind, so people probably get over it all the time with therapy!" is what some people may have just assumed, with the only strangeness being how suddenly he "got over" it ( ... )

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semper_cogitans June 18 2011, 09:24:00 UTC
Good point - and again, this ties back to me sounding like an ignorant fool about autistic spectrum disorders in general. I guess I just... assumed other people would know (which is my main mistake there, I'd wager), and didn't bother to explain... which was incredibly stupid.

I guess I mentioned it purely because of the fact he was going to behave neurotypically, because I felt playing him as a social butterfly while simultaneously having him with the inability to perceive social cues very well would be prohibitively difficult. Which... it might not have been and I just made a bad decision.

... After the experiment ended - and even sometime before, though the stuff that was supposed to occur at that time never happened yet - Robert was going to realize that what he was saying was completely preposterous. He's... already kind of got that feeling that what he's going on about makes no sense. But again, you're right, I did not explain that well. If I even explained it at all ( ... )

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anonymous August 19 2011, 09:00:56 UTC
Since there isn't really a nice way of saying this, I'm just going to come out with it. I apologise if it comes off as rude. I don't mean it to be that way. Please consider the other people in this game when you and Donatello mun make logs alluding to sexual themes. I am all for exploring character relationships, including romantic or sexual ones. However in the case of these two characters, it's not only an interspecies relationship with two beings that don't really resemble one another (aside from gender), but it's with a character that, if he is on the autistic spectrum as it is claimed, high-functioning or not, makes the idea of a relationship between the two that much more disturbing. I understand you two are entitled to play what you like, but I do urge you to consider taking the more intimate parts of the relationship to a private musebox if you want to play it out, and handwave it in-game ( ... )

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semper_cogitans August 19 2011, 23:07:34 UTC
Firstly, I do want to thank you for bringing this up. There was no intention of impacting other people in the game by making logs/posts concerning sexual themes, at least not in the sense of causing offense, but I'm sorry if that seemed to be what occurred ( ... )

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anonymous August 20 2011, 00:54:58 UTC
The log is rated NC-17 but is not locked, therefore it is not following the rules of the community. But I digress.

Even that allusion to the content is enough to make me uncomfortable, due to the fact that I am uncomfortable with their relationship in general. Between the interspecies aspect and the fact that Robert supposedly has a disability that would hinder his ability to relate to others, especially in a romantic or sexual sense. I feel what you are doing is disrespectful to the people that live with the condition every day. Yes, I'm aware they are capable of having these relations, however I do not feel it is something that should be explored in roleplay, especially one that is public.

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semper_cogitans August 20 2011, 01:27:08 UTC
Ah, yes. Thank you on the reminder, anon. That has now been done, and I'll do so more promptly in future.

I assure you, I intend in no way to disrespect anybody, anon, especially not members of the AS community. Different people have different capabilities - both neurotypical and AS people can have the capacity, or lack thereof, to engage in relationships with a sexual element. I am not making assumptions, with my single character, about how AS people behave as a whole, nor do I expect all AS people to behave in the same manner - the same as I don't expect all neurotypical people to behave in the same manner.

And while I'm genuinely sorry that what I roleplay is offensive to you, I don't see how I can resolve this - if even the mere allusion of their relationship is disturbing to you, then the only thing that I could do is not have it, and that would be essentially restricting me from roleplaying something entirely - not to mention it would be something that would be completely out of left field to end at this point.

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