Canon/fanon natural ATA gene carriers

[taste_is_sweet]

Hi, everyone! This comm has been a great resource before, so I'm hoping you guys can help me with this one.

Aside from Jack O'Neill, John Sheppard, Carson Beckett, Evan Lorne and Miko Kusanagi (assuming they're the same person), are there any other canon or fanon natural ATA gene carriers on Atlantis or at the SGC?

Thank you!

Comments

[michelel72]

Actually, jo-graham theorizes that Evan Lorne is a gene-therapy recipient, not a natural gene carrier; she's pretty sure canon doesn't establish him either way, and she has a theory explaining why he wouldn't be a natural gene carrier. ETA: She discusses it here (possible mild spoilers for her "Homecoming").

And you can just list "Dr. Kusanagi"; whether that's the same person as Miko isn't established by canon, but they never established whether Miko has the gene either, so you could say that Miko Kusanagi does, or that Miko-not-Kusanagi could go either way.

That's probably not tons of help, but ....

[taste_is_sweet]

Well, it was certainly interesting! Thank you. :)

The argument against Lorne's gene being natural is compelling, but I can think of some reasons he could still have it and yet have the events go as they did in canon. I won't bore you with it here, however. :) In any case, its so widely accepted that Lorne's gene is natural at this point that I would feel very strange about saying it wasn't...

I remember the same thing about Dr. Kusanagi being Miko or not--she could be, or they could be entirely different people. I'll just have to wing it. :)

[michelel72]

Yeah, I could easily see reasons for Lorne to be natural - he didn't want to go; he was disqualified at the time due to temporary illness / family situation / breaking-stuff punishment duty / whatever ... or not tested yet, as you suggest below. I should have been clearer that Lorne isn't canonically natural-gene; I mentioned him only because I took your list to be the canon natural gene folks, which I now see it isn't particularly. I can read, honest; apparently just not today. Heh.

There's a Miller who was tasked with flying Rodney and Peter Grodin to the satellite, but again, he could just as easily be gene-therapy as natural.

This page lists gene-carriers, sorted by natural / conferred / unknown, but it provides no citations, so ....

[taste_is_sweet]

Oh, thank you for the link! And I actually did think that Lorne was a canon ATA gene carrier, so you read my post correctly. :D

I appreciate the extra research on my behalf. <3

[green_grrl]

Markham and Stackhouse have the gene, as we've seen them fly jumpers, but we don't know if it was natural, as the gene therapy was working by the third episode.

It is a pretty compelling argument that the SGC was looking for Chair users on Earth, and Weir was desperate to have Sheppard for Atlantis, so there weren't many natural genes around.

[taste_is_sweet]

I agree with that, but I'm also almost certain that Beckett had only very recently discovered which gene was responsible for ATA, which to me at least indicates that they'd only begun actively testing for it. (My impression before that was that people thought Jack could activate Ancient tech because he'd had his brain hijacked by Ancient databases so often.) So to my mind at least, Evan hadn't been tested yet. :) I could be totally wrong, but it makes me happy....

Thank you for the reminder about Markham--I'd remembered him flying the Jumpers, but had forgotten about him because the poor kid was blown up by a Wraith near the end of season one. I'm almost certain that Stackhouse doesn't have the gene, though, since he was always sitting next to the pilot, but never actually shown flying.

[green_grrl]

Plausible for Rising! And at s2 when Atlantis was in contact with the SGC again and said there was gene therapy, the SGC would be more willing to let their natural gene people go. Still, they would want a few naturals to back Jack up in the Chair ...

Good catch on Stackhouse. He always seemed like "the co-pilot," as in he could take control as well, but it was never confirmed.

[taste_is_sweet]

Thank you. :D It did seem strange to me that there wasn't a co-pilot seat in the jumper, but that side of the ship seemed to be for weapons.

And yeah, what you said was how I decided it happened. :) Which at least makes some fanfiction easier.

[sg_fignewton]

It's not canon per se, but there's some canon-based speculation that Daniel has the ATA gene post-Ascension.

[taste_is_sweet]

Thank you. :) I didn't know about that. I had been thinking that his brush with the Ancients conferred ATA-like abilities, but either way makes sense.